TV & Film The Walking Dead

KLS52 said:
Yes, I agree. What I find amusing are the people who argue on FB. There are people who will defend the show with every fiber of their being and accuse others of not being a “real” fan because they get mad when things don’t go their way and threaten to stop watching. Obviously, I’m not a real fan, lol, but I’m keeping up with it because I’m an eternal optimist. At some point something has to happen to make me happy again. Right now, they took too much away from me! They need to give something back! Lol.
Plus, I don’t enjoy watching wars and killing. I’m more into the mechanics of how things work and relationships between characters.

Honestly, from a fan standpoint, this show was s longshot for me from the get go. I had zero interest in watching. It was really just a whim. But it hooked me. It was a shock, not only to me, but my entire family. Same thing with GOT. I’m just a little bored right now. The Sunday before last’s episode was the best one for me so far. I didn’t like any of the others, and where are we, up to 5 or 6? So it's been a struggle. Man, I’d be getting slammed if I was posting this on FB haha.

I’m kind of rambling anyway. It’s 3:51 and I’ve been up for awhile and can’t fall back to sleep. :)
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You will probably enjoy "A New Beginning"... People in comments sections are idiots for the most part. I read the comic books, and they are doing stuff right now that is truly pissing me off. If they do what is rumored they're going to do this Sunday night, *I* might be done with it... If you've been in comments sections lately you probably know what I'm talking about it.
 
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Yeah, I’m definitely in for the long haul. I just don’t get excited anymore, waiting for it to come on. Sometimes I don’t even realize I didn’t watch it until Wednesday or Thursday. That’s not a good sign lol.

I haven’t been following the comments lately. And I used to seek out spoilers. Maybe I’ll go read some now. :)
 
So many good shows.... Right now I think I'm more fixated on Mr. Robot... Talking about a show that blows our minds almost every single episode :D
 
Jeremy said:
So many good shows.... Right now I think I'm more fixated on Mr. Robot... Talking about a show that blows our minds almost every single episode :D
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I’ve heard several people say Mr. Robot was good. Maybe I’ll check it out.
 
KLS52 said:
I’ve heard several people say Mr. Robot was good. Maybe I’ll check it out.
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It's one of those shows that you can't just jump in. You have to start from the beginning... The first two seasons are on Amazon Prime video, so that makes it a little easier, then you just have to find a way to get caught up on season 3 that's airing now.
 
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Hoo boy.

Dumb show is dumb.

I'm a half-season behind, was planning to catch up, accidentally read a spoiler and now I'm not sure I want to. Sounds like they've gone off the deep end even more dramatically than some of the other ******** they've pulled. Not just in this... big decision they've made, but in the events leading up to it.
 
I just realized I’ve been numb since Glenn’s death so I can’t be fazed by anything they do now. It is kind of sad. But I also don’t trust anything I see/read on the internet at this point. It’s kind of a relief, though, because it really was nerve wracking when I cared so much about what was going to happen. Now I’m just like, ok...whatever...I’m just not emotionally invested like I was. Unless...there’s some interesting twist and it doesn’t play out the way it appears...lol. That’s internet/FB speculation talking there. :)
 
Glenn 100% had to die, *exactly* the way he did, that was one of the most important moments in the story... But this Sunday was a shameless ratings grab, NOTHING MORE. Proof that Scott Gimple doesn't give a **** about the source material. He has effectively gutted the way they tell the story of the Whisperers... I read people's theories, but no, it is exactly what it looked like. I hate being the bearer of bad news, but Whisperers stab with knives, they don't bite :lol:
 
Note: 1) There may be spoilers - if you haven't watched by now and want to be surprised, avoid my post. I don't think several days after the show warrants a special (hidden) spoiler tag. Stop nosing around here - watch the episode(s)!
2) I have read up through Negan's defeat in the comics.

So, after reading several reviews of the mid-season finale, I'm glad I have plenty of company in my disappointment and confusion. I really enjoyed every episode of this season - until this one. Enough with the obscurity - let us (the fans) know what the hell is going on. There are too many story-lines and threads going on where something pivotal has happened and guess what? You don't get to find out until February. I understand that there are advantages to that type of storytelling to forward the plot, but at some point it just plain backfires. Like now. It's very frustrating. IE: How did the Saviors get out? What side has Eugene chosen? What is wrong with Gabriel anyway? How did the Saviors not only escape the Sanctuary but manage to completely overwhelm the resistance after all the careful planning that has crippled them up to this very episode? I could go on and on.

From minute one I was lost this episode. I have pieced some things together but in terms of flow this outright sucked. I saw in Talking Dead a guest saying 'You really need to watch the episode twice because there are so many clues and easter eggs you probably missed.' Um - here is the thing: I don't want to have to watch the show multiple freaking times to understand what is going on, FFS. What has been great to this point in this season is the amount of time they have spent on one or a few character's stories - they have really gone in depth. That is rewarding. This one was all over the place and 90% of it shot in the dark so it was difficult to tell who was where, or why they were there, or how they got there in the first place because the timeline is all wonky. The director probably thought it was genius, because well, he KNOWS the whole story. It doesn't seem as though anyone took the time to envision this episode from a fan's perspective. Keep in mind, I am not being critical of the story-line - (it has tremendous faults, yes.) But I'm specifically being critical of the way the story was presented. My state of mind on Sunday night halfway into a bottle of wine isn't really suited to piecing together an elaborate uber fan's version of TWD. Just show me what is happening - if not at the beginning, then you damn well better come full circle by the end.

The other frustrations revolve around character motivation.
How is it that Maggie's convoy of trucks / army turns around with nary a shot? Seriously, after what she has endured, it is not in her current character's makeup to hand over their weapons without a fight. (Jerry is not really a believable bargaining chip hostage to Maggie's group either.)
Since when has Carl become the spokesperson for compassion and trust? Did I miss some spiritual awakening or something? This is the same kid who shot an unarmed dude who was surrendering a few years back.
There are more, but I'm tired of ranting. I think I see where they are going with this plot-line - (having read the comics). They seem to want to distance themselves from the graphic novel just enough to make it impossible to guess which way they will go. But I think they need to take a hard look at why the story is written the way it is - rather than just move chess pieces around the board as if as long as the outcome is the same, it will be just as good of a game. (That must really frustrate Kirkman.)

So yeah, the first half of the season as a whole gets an A - this episode gets a big fat F.
 
^Hmm, you are all making me slightly intrigued, I might have to read what has happened since I stopped watching!:D

I stopped watching at the episode when Daryl was in prison and they kept playing that annoying music.

A couple of the people I know still watch it and they say it is mostly because they love the Negan character in the comics.
 
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Dedalus said:
I actually like the Negan in the TV version better than the comics version.
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BLASPHEMY! Comic Negan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TV Negan :D
 
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Note: 1) There may be spoilers - if you haven't watched by now and want to be surprised, avoid my post. I don't think several days after the show warrants a special (hidden) spoiler tag. Stop nosing around here - watch the episode(s)!
2) I have read up through Negan's defeat in the comics.

So, after reading several reviews of the mid-season finale, I'm glad I have plenty of company in my disappointment and confusion. I really enjoyed every episode of this season - until this one. Enough with the obscurity - let us (the fans) know what the hell is going on. There are too many story-lines and threads going on where something pivotal has happened and guess what? You don't get to find out until February. I understand that there are advantages to that type of storytelling to forward the plot, but at some point it just plain backfires. Like now. It's very frustrating. IE: How did the Saviors get out? What side has Eugene chosen? What is wrong with Gabriel anyway? How did the Saviors not only escape the Sanctuary but manage to completely overwhelm the resistance after all the careful planning that has crippled them up to this very episode? I could go on and on.

From minute one I was lost this episode. I have pieced some things together but in terms of flow this outright sucked. I saw in Talking Dead a guest saying 'You really need to watch the episode twice because there are so many clues and easter eggs you probably missed.' Um - here is the thing: I don't want to have to watch the show multiple freaking times to understand what is going on, FFS. What has been great to this point in this season is the amount of time they have spent on one or a few character's stories - they have really gone in depth. That is rewarding. This one was all over the place and 90% of it shot in the dark so it was difficult to tell who was where, or why they were there, or how they got there in the first place because the timeline is all wonky. The director probably thought it was genius, because well, he KNOWS the whole story. It doesn't seem as though anyone took the time to envision this episode from a fan's perspective. Keep in mind, I am not being critical of the story-line - (it has tremendous faults, yes.) But I'm specifically being critical of the way the story was presented. My state of mind on Sunday night halfway into a bottle of wine isn't really suited to piecing together an elaborate uber fan's version of TWD. Just show me what is happening - if not at the beginning, then you damn well better come full circle by the end.

The other frustrations revolve around character motivation.
How is it that Maggie's convoy of trucks / army turns around with nary a shot? Seriously, after what she has endured, it is not in her current character's makeup to hand over their weapons without a fight. (Jerry is not really a believable bargaining chip hostage to Maggie's group either.)
Since when has Carl become the spokesperson for compassion and trust? Did I miss some spiritual awakening or something? This is the same kid who shot an unarmed dude who was surrendering a few years back.
There are more, but I'm tired of ranting. I think I see where they are going with this plot-line - (having read the comics). They seem to want to distance themselves from the graphic novel just enough to make it impossible to guess which way they will go. But I think they need to take a hard look at why the story is written the way it is - rather than just move chess pieces around the board as if as long as the outcome is the same, it will be just as good of a game. (That must really frustrate Kirkman.)

So yeah, the first half of the season as a whole gets an A - this episode gets a big fat F.
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I'm cool with being left hanging on some of the other concurrent stories, I'm also cool with not getting explanations to some things... But I'm totally with you on how they turn Carl into a moral compass... Totally ridiculous! By the way, just as an FYI, I think Carl shooting the kid in the woods at the prison was representative of Carl killing Ben in the comic. Setting Carl up to have some emotional baggage like in the comic. Scott Gimple does things on a ******* whim, the ******* can have a path for the story planned out and then suddenly decide to do something different. In turn it makes things disjointed. Gimple's excuse for deciding to kill Carl? Because he didn't think it made sense that Rick decides to not kill Negan in the comic, and killing Carl gives Rick a reason to jail Negan instead of killing him. Which is pure nonsense, in the comic Rick DID explain why he doesn't want to kill Negan in the comic; in the name of rebuilding a just society... Scott Gimple is downright full of it. If I were Robert Kirkman I would be mad as hell at the changes Gimple is making.
 
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Gimple's excuse for deciding to kill Carl? Because he didn't think it made sense that Rick decides to not kill Negan in the comic, and killing Carl gives Rick a reason to jail Negan instead of killing him. Which is pure nonsense, in the comic Rick DID explain why he doesn't want to kill Negan in the comic; in the name of rebuilding a just society... Scott Gimple is downright full of it. If I were Robert Kirkman I would be mad as hell at the changes Gimple is making.
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Totally agree. And it was nauseating to hear Gimple say "Well there is a very good reason to the story for what happens to Carl..." like HE is improving on the comic book. He is like the music producer who, because he changes the arrangement of a song, takes credit for writing it.
 
I watched what happened to *ahem* that person after reading this thread and what you were saying and it did make me feel sentimental for the show! I miss the woods and the walkers.
 
Finally caught up.

The writing on this season so far was mostly good, certainly better than I thought it was going to be. The midseason finale was such a blatant shock episode with so many plot holes you could drive a truck loaded with speakers right through it.

I love how their entire justification for Negan being able to turn the tables like that was just, "Eugene." Like, last I knew we'd watched the outposts be taken out, had the Saviors reduced to a group of core combat/strategy leaders and Negan, and had even the lives of the workers, who were hardly prepared to mobilize, threatened by Daryl's dumbass plan.

But nah, I guess Eugene fixed it. He's a smart guy. I guess he like, cloned more foot soldiers for Negan and built seven hundred more of those music drones out of... I don't know, something. Yeah, totally, Eugene fixed it.
 
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FortyTwo said:
Finally caught up.

The writing on this season so far was mostly good, certainly better than I thought it was going to be. The midseason finale was such a blatant shock episode with so many plot holes you could drive a truck loaded with speakers right through it.

I love how their entire justification for Negan being able to turn the tables like that was just, "Eugene." Like, last I knew we'd watched the outposts be taken out, had the Saviors reduced to a group of core combat/strategy leaders and Negan, and had even the lives of the workers, who were hardly prepared to mobilize, threatened by Daryl's dumbass plan.

But nah, I guess Eugene fixed it. He's a smart guy. I guess he like, cloned more foot soldiers for Negan and built seven hundred more of those music drones out of... I don't know, something. Yeah, totally, Eugene fixed it.
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I don't think we need to use spoiler tags at this point :) To be fair, this is pretty much what happened in the comic too. I don't think it was ever explained how they got out of the pickle they were in at the Sanctuary. One issue they're surrounded by a sea of zombies, the next Negan is at the gate of Alexandria ****** off. Which is fine, but I guess Gimple wasn't happy with their being no explanation for it at all and has fallen back on "Eugene fixed it". I want Gimple to stop "tying up loose ends" that don't need tying up.
 
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I don't think we need to use spoiler tags at this point :) To be fair, this is pretty much what happened in the comic too. I don't think it was ever explained how they got out of the pickle they were in at the Sanctuary. One issue they're surrounded by a sea of zombies, the next Negan is at the gate of Alexandria ****** off. Which is fine, but I guess Gimple wasn't happy with their being no explanation for it at all and has fallen back on "Eugene fixed it". I want Gimple to stop "tying up loose ends" that don't need tying up.
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Yeah, just saw that Moll Flanders above me was reluctant to mention a spoiler, so I figured I'd be courteous just in case.

IIRC the difference between the show and the comic is that the show made a giant point of Rick's army sneaking up on all of Negan's outposts and effectively dismantling his army, whereas the comic left us to believe Negan always had some pretty huge numbers. It's been a while since I read the comic though, I might be misremembering.
 
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