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It feels like the democrats are sleepwalking into disaster at the moment. Trump has been edging ahead in the polls for a while (NYT, 538) and in the past tended to do better than the polls.

The argument that Biden needs to be the democrat candidate to stop Trump doesn't work anymore.

I think Biden should probably stand aside or others should persuade him to.

I realize that the primaries season is over but there are mechanisms where he can pull out or be persuaded to, it's not too late.

He is clearly in a bit of decline and it will show in the campaigns and debates and it won't get better when he's President. I don't buy the argument that Trump is just as mentally unstable, he rambles like anyone would who had to speak for an hour off the cuff all the time, OK he is a little slowing down as well, but not as much as Biden.

It feels like the democrats are blowing it. They need some other serious options.
 
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Trump as President again would be very serious. I think liberals are not as focused as they should be on stopping Trump becoming President. If you want to help the people of Gaza, or stop racism, or help women, or many, many other things the correct strategy at this point in time is to focus on stopping Trump being President however possible as a first step.....
 
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as a very lefty liberal progressive Democrat, I Wish there was someone besides Biden.
On the other hand, it's all about stopping Trump.
Right here, right now Biden is the safe (and maybe best) bet.

The thing that I focus on is how come anyone could vote for Trump. What could they possibly be thinking?
It really can't be a rationale, informed thought process. And I don't know how we combat that.

(actually I do know. We need a better educated and informed electorate. But that ship sailed at least 10 years ago.)
 
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Lou said:
as a very lefty liberal progressive Democrat, I Wish there was someone besides Biden.
On the other hand, it's all about stopping Trump.
Right here, right now Biden is the safe (and maybe best) bet.

The thing that I focus on is how come anyone could vote for Trump. What could they possibly be thinking?
It really can't be a rationale, informed thought process. And I don't know how we combat that.

(actually I do know. We need a better educated and informed electorate. But that ship sailed at least 10 years ago.)
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Today I heard a woman on NPR who professed to be a liberal lesbian mom, and she told the hosts of the talk show that she'd voted for Biden in the last election, but now she was going to vote for Trump. Basically, her reasons were what Trump and others have harped on about Biden: He's old, he's lost a step, inflation/economy, immigration is ruining the cities, he hasn't accomplished much, etc. Trump's claims are baseless, but this woman is an example of people just taking claims at face value and not doing their own research. They never can cite specifics about what Biden has or hasn't done, and it's just frustrating to hear them spew, nearly word for word, what Trump and his campaign spout about Biden.

And I've been irritated with the Democratic Party leadership since the 2016 campaign. They don't listen to the electorate, and they take voters for granted. They insisted on shoving Hillary Clinton down everyone's throat, despite how polarizing she was, and they pushed out Bernie Sanders, who had been gaining quite a bit of support.

All that said, the mission should be to stop Trump. This country will spiral into chaos if he gets to be president again.
 
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PTree15 said:
And I've been irritated with the Democratic Party leadership since the 2016 campaign. They don't listen to the electorate, and they take voters for granted. They insisted on shoving Hillary Clinton down everyone's throat, despite how polarizing she was, and they pushed out Bernie Sanders, who had been gaining quite a bit of support.
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THIS!!!!!

I hate Debbie Wassermann Schultz and Donna Brazile with a vengeance…

Or does this make me a “Toxic Bernie Bro”?
 
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silva said:
trump found guilty on 34 counts of falsifying records in the first degree.
🎉 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
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I just read this on the news in the UK.

What does this mean? I studied American politics as part of my university degree when I was younger, but I cannot really understand it all now.🤔
 
Raven said:
I just read this on the news in the UK.

What does this mean? I studied American politics as part of my university degree when I was younger, but I cannot really understand it all now.🤔
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Mostly that that's all the news we'll be getting ....Studying American politics is like--- "In theory....."
I fully expect another trump term.
 
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Raven said:
I just read this on the news in the UK.

What does this mean? I studied American politics as part of my university degree when I was younger, but I cannot really understand it all now.🤔
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It is a historical event. First time a US president has been convicted of a felony.

but it is very unclear if it will mean that much next year.
It doesn't stop him from running for president. It doesn't mean he will go to jail (anytime soon)

But it might be enough of a black mark to shave off some voters who were planning on voting for him. It won't change the MAGA faithfuls minds. but it might change the minds of some people. Some of them won't vote for him again. They may not vote for Biden but some "likely" trump voters may not even vote. And maybe some will actually vote for Biden. It won't be many but this promises to be a close election so maybe its enough for Trump to lose.

It might also affect some people's views of him. The MAGA faithful will say the trial was rigged or a sham. but a lot of people do have a level of confidence in jury trials. This may not change very many people's minds but it might cast some doubts. Maybe open a few closed minds to other possibilities.

Of all the indictments, this trial had the least important ones. But it's a start.
 
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Everything I'm seeing in Facebook is his supporters saying they don't care and will still vote for him.

I wish I could be as excited as everyone else. I get that it's a historic moment but it will have zero consequences for him. It's like he was impeached twice. Big deal. And now he's a class E convicted felon. Big deal. It's so frustrating. If he's still able to walk around like nothing happened, run and win the presidency, what's the point? It's like he's untouchable. 😞

#negativenelly lol
 
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KLS52 said:
Everything I'm seeing in Facebook is his supporters saying they don't care and will still vote for him.
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yes, but.

First those guys are ..... what 20% of the population. At the most 40%. not enough to elect him on their own.
If he wins an election it will be with the independents and the disaffected he can bring over. So... I don't think his conviction can help with those.
But still it freaks me out that it is so close.
 
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This cover up, even though it wasn't legal, isn't even remotely close to being one of the top 10 worst things Trump has ever done. It feels like when they got Al Capone for tax evasion.

The fact that he's a less than perfect person is already factored in to the decision of voting for him, and I can't see how this will change minds. If polls show 30%-40% of people are open to voting for him even after trying to overturn a democratic election, pulling the US out of the Paris climate agreement, being racist, and being accused of sexual assault, rape or inappropriate behavior by 20 women, and many other things besides, this is not that important.

The average man would happily have sex with a porn star and then want to keep that out of the public eye later when they are married to someone else. Even some women, perhaps many women, are on some level going to be accepting of this in my opinion.

Betting sites still have Trump as favourite to win today.
 
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Jamie in Chile said:
This cover up, even though it wasn't legal, isn't even remotely close to being one of the top 10 worst things Trump has ever done.
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oh, if you include the periphary stuff ( conspiring with AMI, the catch and kill stuff, ) I would include it in the top ten. Most importantly, it was not only indictable but there was obviously (now) a chance to convict.
Jamie in Chile said:
It feels like when they got Al Capone for tax evasion.

The fact that he's a less than perfect person is already factored in to the decision of voting for him, and I can't see how this will change minds.
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I think it will change Some minds. Not the minds of the MAGA, but there are is a small percentage of people who the pundits are now calling "persuadables".
Jamie in Chile said:
If polls show 30%-40% of people are open to voting for him even after trying to overturn a democratic election, pulling the US out of the Paris climate agreement, being racist, and being accused of sexual assault, rape or inappropriate behavior by 20 women, and many other things besides, this is not that important.
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yes, those people are not going to change their minds because of this.
Jamie in Chile said:
Betting sites still have Trump as favourite to win today.
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I'm not too worried about the polls. No one has polled me. in fact, no one I know even answers their phone unless the Caller ID says it's someone they know. The pollers can go to people on the street. but who knows if the people on the street will go to the polls.

Unfortunately it is going to be close. but part of it is how excited the population is to vote. Don't think the conviction can add anything to the Trumpers enthusiasm. but it might add some conviction to the undecided. (pun intended)
 
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Any US forum members … please explain to me how your fellow countrypeople can be so unbothered by what a shitshow his first term was?

Wah, prices are up now, let’s give Dump another chance? How bad could it be? Seriously?

How brainwashed by Faux News and other questionable media outlets is the majority of the American electorate that it’s even a question that this person should never come near any position of influence again?
 
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Andy_T said:
Any US forum members … please explain to me how your fellow countrypeople can be so unbothered by what a shitshow his first term was?

Wah, prices are up now, let’s give Dump another chance? How bad could it be? Seriously?

How brainwashed by Faux News and other questionable media outlets is the majority of the American electorate that it’s even a question that this person should never come near any position of influence again?
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I got nothin'. I don't understand it myself and I have family and friends who are educated, that think he's the answer to everything. It's so frustrating.

I think what I'm finding, lately, is that they are unhappy with Biden. So they don't really come up with reasons why Trump is so great. It's more that they think Biden is bad.

I also think the more democrats go after Trump, the more sympathetic his followers become, and they dig their heels in even further. None of it makes any sense to me.
 
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This thread prompted me to do some reading.. This is interesting.

"MASON: So the colloquial stories we hear about Trump suggest that he somehow created a whole bunch of hatred in American politics. And instead, what this data shows is that what he did was serve as a place where people who already held a lot of animus towards marginalized groups, they all sort of gathered around him. So this was a latent faction of Americans that had just - that had already been sitting there and had already existed.

So it's not necessarily that it's the Republican Party that is creating animus towards people, it's that there's this faction of Americans who really dislike marginalized groups. And they're attracted to one party or the other based on sort of the decisions of that party, and they're able to kind of hide within the party in order to make American politics be focused more on the party and not on this faction of people who are feeling a lot of hatred towards marginalized outgroups."

 
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