I don't see this causing anyone to change their vote as most as voting against a candidate, rather than for either one. This is such an embarrassment
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It's from fb so not sure if will open for everyone which is why I copied/oasted. But here it is:
Heather Cox Richardson
June 27, 2024 (Thursday) Tonight was the first debate between President Joe Biden and presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, and by far the most striking thing about the debate...
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Thanks but that wasn’t the reason why I wanted the link. It was just to make sure that as a forum we were not infringing any copyright laws.
I had forgotten about that but realized when you asked for the link. Thanks for keeping me in check.
I didn’t watch the debate,but out of interest, are there any names being suggested to who could replace Biden or Trump ?
Lou
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I don't think that is going to happen. From what I hear, the GOP think Trump gives them the best chance.
tho in 1860 something like that happened. It ended up being a 4 person race. Lincoln won with 40% of the vote. and a few years later we were in a civil war.
I have this foggy recollection that 4 years ago Biden said he would not run for reelection because of his age. Wish he did that.
it doesn't matter who is running - I'm Not voting for Trump. And All the Democrats I know feel the same way.
If something happens to Biden he might withdraw in favor of Harris. but I don't think she could even win an election. However if Biden wins and then something happens to him in office I bet she would not only do a great job but maybe make it easier for future women candidates.
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I didn't watch the debate and I've only just started reading the reports. My big takeaway is that once we get closer to the election people will no longer support Trump. One reporter wrote in his column that he had forgotten how much he lied. And another said he forgot what a POS Trump is.
I'm worried most about those so disgusted by the democrats that they won't even vote--and I'm completely sympathetic. It's the republican party that has gone so off the rails to the point of being fascists and nationlists, and the democrats filling their void. Dems are more fearful of their progressives gaining power and exposing their corruption then they are of another rump presidency. After all, the dems had a big part in getting us here.
This should easily be the easiest win for democrats, but we're now between a rock and a hard place
Only thing that could have made this worse would be RFK....
This should easily be the easiest win for democrats, but we're now between a rock and a hard place
Only thing that could have made this worse would be RFK....
OP
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Just read that the New York Times, in its editorial column, has asked Biden to withdraw. That sounds quite serious to me, as the NYT is a longstanding, heavyweight and 'moderate' Democrat institution, if I understand correctly.
As more public criticism is directed at Biden, from his own camp, the more it hurts his chances of winning. Not that his chances of winning were great to start with, of course. At some point, though, it could reach a point where he simply needs to do a reality check and make the only sensible choice.
As more public criticism is directed at Biden, from his own camp, the more it hurts his chances of winning. Not that his chances of winning were great to start with, of course. At some point, though, it could reach a point where he simply needs to do a reality check and make the only sensible choice.
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Yes, you're right, here's the link although it will likely be partly or entirely paywalled (I am a subscriber)
Opinion | To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race
The president’s inadequate performance in the debate made it clear he is not the man he was four years ago.
Ezra Klein wrote opinion pieces in NYT saying much the same thing months ago but this is different because it says
'Opinion:
The Editorial Board' so it's not just one person's opinion
This is a big win for Ezra Klein for saying months ago what a lot more people are saying now
But this is all still leaves the question as to what democrat would poll better against Trump - you kind of need a contest that puts 3-4 of them, perhaps including Biden, in the public eye and then see what the polls say on a head to head for each of them against Trump
OP
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Yes, and to be fair, the answer could turn out to be that none of them would poll better than Biden. The Democrats have got themselves into a pickle.
Perhaps one way forward could be that they pick a really solid VP candidate with the clear understanding (for voters who pay attention) that this person really could end up taking over, and soon? I don't necessarily think Kamala Harris is the best choice.
beancounter
The Fire That Burns Within
When you vote for a candidate, you are primary voting for their advisors, so there is no need to worry about pulling the lever for Biden.
Because if you don't, you're essentially voting for Trump, and his advisors.
Because if you don't, you're essentially voting for Trump, and his advisors.
OP
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Yes, I'm not really worried about Biden's cognitive issues as a president, because, as you say, there are advisors, teleprompters etc. And should his health take a turn for the worse, then the VP can take over. No problem at all.
My worry is whether he can appear sufficiently convincing during the campaign so he can actually get elected.
The only mention I have heard - but that was in a Facebook comment - was that Biden should replace Kamala Harris with Gretch Whitmer, which would give him Michigan and reassure people (likely: yt people) that there would be a competent back-up.
I am beyond shocked about the latest SCOTUS decisions - first the repeal of Chevron, and then the incredible granting of immunity to Dump for "official acts". I did not have "SCOTUS makes US president into king" on my 2024 Bingo card.
The problem I see with the reasoning of the corrupt right-wing SCOTUS judges is that it does NOT "protect EVERY president, regardless of party affiliation", but that it rather protects CRIMINAL presidents.
Not only does this reduce the chances of Dump ever facing accountability for his various crimes, it also all but guarantees he will be significantly more unhinged should he win a second term.
And while Biden will likely not send Seal Team 6 after his political adversaries, we all know who will not hesitate one second to think whether he should do that or not.....
The problem I see with the reasoning of the corrupt right-wing SCOTUS judges is that it does NOT "protect EVERY president, regardless of party affiliation", but that it rather protects CRIMINAL presidents.
Not only does this reduce the chances of Dump ever facing accountability for his various crimes, it also all but guarantees he will be significantly more unhinged should he win a second term.
And while Biden will likely not send Seal Team 6 after his political adversaries, we all know who will not hesitate one second to think whether he should do that or not.....
Sadly, I am not shocked at all given the makeup of the Supreme Court, but I am very disappointed and disillusioned. That was one of the more disastrous results of his presidency, his being able to appoint Supreme Court justices. This is the most corrupt, ludicrous court I can ever remember. There is no recourse for the average person, and how his actions on Jan. 6 can be considered "official" is beyond me. As soon as I heard the decision, I was like, great, we're going to have a king instead of a president. We keep straying further and further away from democracy.
Brian W
Conscientious Christian
Apparently, this means that under certain circumstances, Trump could actually assassinate a rival and be immune from prosecution for life.
.....so..... could Biden?
. Gotta wonder, where would the maga cult be without their mighty leader? I think they'd implode!I wish the dems would focus more on voting for democracy rather than BIden. We didn't then, we don't now.
This project 2025 is terrifying
