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  1. louise virgo

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    Hi all, I am a relatively new vegan and adore everything about 'my' food choices now. But what about pets? I have 2 dogs who I have reared on a meat diet - I feel very unhappy to buy their food now but at the same time I don't want to upset their diet. What do other vegan pet owners feed their animals?
     
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    I have three cats and feed them canned meat cat food, not kibble (dry food). I would say that vegan pet food is dubious for dogs and inappropriate for cats. Dogs are omnivores that evolved from carnivores (whereas homo sapiens and our ancestors are omnivores that evolved from near vegans) and cats are obligate carnivores. I wouldn't judge anyone either way, because there are strong arguments on both sides. On the the one hand, it is no more justifiable to raise pigs and chickens to feed to dogs and cats than it is to raise dogs and cats to feed to pigs and chickens, and a lot of people seem to have healthy dogs and cats on vegan diets. But on the other hand, we domesticated dogs and cats and are responsible to feed them a species appropriate diet, regardless of our own moral sensitivities. This is why if I had the last two dogs and the last two cats in existence I would not breed them but let these domesticated animals die out. There is an inherent evil in the domestication of animals.

    Hypothetical scenario: If everyone on the planet went vegan overnight, then I would suggest that we convert all the factory farms into places for breeding crickets and mealworms (beetle larvae). This would give cats the animal protein they need. Insect sentience is not as definite as the sentience of farm animals or fish and they are better suited to being raised in cramped conditions. I still would not advocate honey for humans, who don't need it. But our cats and (to a lesser extent ) dogs do need animal protein (arguably).
     
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    hi, nice write up about the ethical ownership of animals points raised. whilst we do own pets...having created them from wild species that they are now remotely related to...we do not have to feed them flesh. both dogs and cats exist in their thousands healthily on vegan diets now. I did a blog page with loads of supporting links about this including the Guinness world book of records dog Bramble who lived to 25 years old and Little Tyke a vegetarian lioness. thousands of healthy vegan dogs and cats out there. I did a blog page summary of links to Bramble the vegan Guinness world book of records in 2002 vegan dog who lived 25 years healthily. plus little tyke the vegetarian lioness true story. if it were unhealthy or not possible those as well as the thousands of others would not have thrived and lived so long. take a read ! http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Dogs_and_Cats.html
     
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    No one here seems to be aware of BRAMBLE ! astonishing. vegans unaware of the Guinness World Book of Records Book in 2002 longest lived dog then ! VEGAN ! 25 years old fed on home made veggies ! like most peasants hunting dogs have been for decades I add.

    It is a "modern" phenomenon to buy dog and catfood.

    For decades and still now...hunting dogs we kept and others still keep...get fed not MEAT but boiled veggies pastas etc ! people in the country with hunting dogs do not feed their huskies laikas etc meat ! that is expensive and wasted on hunting dogs.

    Super fit...fast obviously as hunting dogs need high energy

    My MODERN fancy breed dogs...like my cat...were fed bought flesh content foods...what a mistake that was.

    It is Poison...giving DEATH and CRUELTY to dogs and cats is ridiculous and unnecessary . especially for vegans.

    Cancers...antibiotics...low grade below human flesh etc. it is all unhealthy besides cruel.

    My relatives LAUGHED at me...more money than sense they said.

    Then my female dog got stomac ulcers...vet said go vegan the acidity in stomac is the issue...and now both my dogs are fed vegan kibble and super healthy. no more stomac ulcers.

    There are thousands of long lived healthy vegan dogs and cats out there. BRAMBLE is the most famous of course.

    Hope this is informative as i am astonished that vegans do not know these things.

    http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Dogs_and_Cats.html
     
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    I am facing this issue soon too. My dogs are 12 and 13 years old and I don't want to change their diet drastically. At the moment, as I am a very new vegan they are eating all the meat out of my freezer so are very happy right now! I think the way to deal with this for me will be to buy dog food that is as ethically produced as I can find.

    The reason my dogs can't go out and hunt for their own meat is because of us humans, they would never choose to eat a vegan diet so I don't think I should impose it on them.

    I don't think its at all appropriate to try and feed cats a vegan diet. If you don't want to feed them meat, don't get a cat, there are lots of other pets.
     
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    there is no ethically sourced dead animal meat. dead animals are dead. that is not ethical so get that stupid idead out of your head it isnt difficult to understand...dead animals are not ethical

    you dog...has no choice in anything in his or her life

    he has no choice to live free

    what you feed your dog is the LEAST of the problem regarding choice

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    My vegan high energy EXOCET Belgian Shepherds need high quality high energy dog food nutrition that is GMO free...antibiotics free...and not based therefore on dead animals full of those cancerous heart attack and aggression encouraging foods. Blood breeds blood. Smell and get used to the taste of blood ? bites more likely. Ask the military they know. That is why the Belgian Shepherds of the British Royals are again being destroyed.

    Save lives...save your health...save the planet and wildlife...Go Vegan World.

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    Hi there, I am vegan but my elder brother feed them with meat.
     
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    I have often heard the argument that humans should be vegans because of their teeth. If this argument is true then dogs and cats are clearly meat eaters. I have little doubt that a dog can exist on plants but I firmly believe they will not do well. I will continue to feed my dog meat based diet.
     
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    My goldendoodle is accidentally vegetarian. He doesn't like beef or liver, is allergic to chicken and lamb, and the only treats he'll eat are freeze dried cheese or sweet potato (i'll make them by myself sometimes). He has a vegetarian kibble that we buy from our breeder (she breeds doodle's for service dog training as well).
     
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    Vegan Cats. Examples of living healthy thriving VEGAN FED CATS in the slideshow ! Healthy Vegan fed cats have lived to the long age of 20 years old.


    Those 2 in the picture that includes the Ginger cat with a Blackie cat eating with relish their UK Vegan catfood figured recently in 2018 on BBC TV also recorded talk ! Fed since 7 years and 2.5 years vegan fed cats thriving ! Magic and Jonke.

    Celine and Poppy saved from Hillgrove Vivisection laboratories in the UK ! Poppy died just a few days before his 20th birthday Celine was under the Christmas Tree December 2018 a glossy coated bright eyed bushy tailed healthy vegan fed cat on this webpage. http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Cats_List_Examples.html
    Vegan cats Celine and Poppy. The Siamese boy died last year just a few days short of his 20th Birthday. He had been vegan for about 10 years and remained very healthy, he died in his sleep (in owner bed). Celine the black cat was rescued from a vivisection farm estimated age 9 to 18 months old. 15 years later she had a routine check-up and the vet said she has the blood profile of a 7 year old cat! Celine has also enjoyed a vegan diet for 10 years as at December 2018 her age now 20 years old. Fed Benevo Kibble from www.vegepets.com in the UK.

    Not only CRUELTY DEATH FREE food...but HEALTHY ingredients without any of the crap and below human standard ingredients so common in other non vegan petfoods !

    Talk on USA Vegan Nation Radio of December 2018 here..
    The talk ! http://wcuw.org/vegannation/V.N.12.27.18.Evolution.VeganCats.NoelleObcarskas-UK.mp3

    Petfood protein based on animals content would constitute the 5th largest continent in the world population. It is a multi billion USD etc income to this deadly business.

    The word OBLIGATE CARNIVORE comes from the FRENCH language. It means FORCED ! OBLIGE means FORCED ! to eat what was available at the time only that in fact gives the feline cat species HIGH RISK UTI/KIDNEY/CRYSTALS diseases if fed raw flesh....fact ! go see the scientific autopsies reports on 87 percent renal kidney diseases found in Wild Lions on those diets provided links to where to find those article in the links below. We are no longer FORCED to live off other animals lives !

    Taurine...is SYNTHETIC so VEGAN as standard in ALL so labelled when quantified petfoods ! Fact ! many people do not realise this.

    Cats as a species are WEAK genetically for health in having 30 percent heart murmers and UTI/Kidney/Crystals common problems. This is LOWER than their wild counterpart lion type felines who suffer 74 percent more than double the renal/kidney diseases (on raw flesh diets so obviously not healthy for them) but the same 30 percent species high heart diseases. Male cats especially neutered ones suffer more urinary crystals than females due to their narrower urine anatomy system. Links to the scientific studies with these findings on the general information page link.

    To reduce the massive deaths of animals for human and pet animals' consumption we need to not support the animal agriculture industry.

    Vegan Nation....a USA Radio Station recently aired a talk on VEGAN CATS.

    The link to the recorded talk to listen to is on this page with after dinner and pre talk comments ...

    http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Nation_Radio_Vegan_Cats.html

    some of the 20 year old Vegan cats mentioned also on this page....

    http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Cats_List_Examples.html

    General links to expert vets etc on this page.

    http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Dogs_and_Cats.html

    Direct link to Andrew Knight highly qualified expert in Cat and Dog nutrition provides many scientific reports and finding here....
    http://www.vegepets.info/

    Dr Armaiti May also a highly qualified USA vet nutrition expert videos and webpages available links provided on information links provided here and on youtube also.



    Evolution in USA have been providing healthy vegan petfoods for 30 years now in 2018.
    https://www.evolutiondietstore.com/...38DC01B4CE53CF9D.p3plqscsfapp003?categoryId=5

    Benevo in the UK have been providing healthy vegan petfoods for cats dogs ferrets also for years now.
    https://veggiepets.com/

    Ami in Italy, Yarrah in the Netherlands....Spain....All over the world now we have vegan health petfoods available to us. VEGUSTO a Switzerland based company also...Evolution. https://www.vegusto.ch/product_details/146

    We can make our own home made with Compassion Circle kitten, Puppy as well as Adult Dogs Cats Ferrets foods recipes.
    https://compassioncircle.com/cats/
     

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