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Primary infighting. I expect that when the primaries are over and the Democratic nominee is chosen, Bernie and Hillary will become BFFs to campaign together against the Republicans.
 
Hillary's latest ploy is to refuse to debate Bernie in New York, because she objects to the "tone" of his advertisements, and yet, she doesn't cite a single, specific incident, about what bothers her. What is that anyway? Tone? The bottom line is, Hillary doesn't want a debate, because she doesn't have a platform to stand on, and, like the Republicans in Congress, believes that, if she ignores the issues, they will simply go away. It's just more dirty politics. Obstructionism.
 
Yes, how dare Hillary refuse to hold a Republican style attack debate with someone who demanded she debate him after running attack ads on her. No wonder people call her evil, trying to stay classy while running an election campaign, what is she thinking?

Please, no one have a stroke in your rush to refute what I've said and prove she's the anti-christ.

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It has been the starting position not only of the Hillary campaign, but also of major news outlets that Bernie Sanders is unelectable as a socialist anyway, so ...

I think many of those calls now, e.g. asking Hillary voters whether they would vote for Bernie if he gets nominated (this was a serious question posed to Bernie supporters that was, of course mainly targeted to undermine his credibility as a viable candidate) are gloating to get back at the Hillary supporters for their behaviour when the ratings were more favourable to her.
 
Calliegirl said:
Yes, how dare Hillary refuse to hold a Republican style attack debate with someone who demanded she debate him after running attack ads on her. No wonder people call her evil, trying to stay classy while running an election campaign, what is she thinking?
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Sorry, but that argument does not fly for me. They have been debating publicly a few times, and those debates were luckily an antithesis to the Republican style "debates", as they focused on issues and were conducted in a polite way. They also seemed to favour Bernie Sanders, who seems to be stronger on many issues and more credible to not only voters, but even Republican adversaries.

So for Hillary now to claim that Sen. Sanders "tone" is the main reason for her not to debate him in New York, seems a little obvious political tactics to me, especially as she can not expect that the "tone" of the debate with her (Republican) adversaries will be anything to the tone that she now claims offends her.

He is not a woman, however, but while I am much in favour of advancing women in leadership positions, I definitely think that it is the wrong approach to select a candidate simply because she is a woman, but otherwise lacking as far as her political targets and, above all, her credibility and appeal to voters are concerned.
 
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It has been the starting position not only of the Hillary campaign, but also of major news outlets that Bernie Sanders is unelectable as a socialist anyway, so ...

I think many of those calls now, e.g. asking Hillary voters whether they would vote for Bernie if he gets nominated (this was a serious question posed to Bernie supporters that was, of course mainly targeted to undermine his credibility as a viable candidate) are gloating to get back at the Hillary supporters for their behaviour when the ratings were more favourable to her.
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As far as I've seen, Hillary's supporters have said they will vote for Bernie if he gets the nomination, myself included. But, I've seen an awful lot of his supporters refusing to vote for her, some saying they plan to vote for Trump instead. Not because they like him, but as punishment for country. I checked some of their Facebook pages and they are posting support for both.
 
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Yes, how dare Hillary refuse to hold a Republican style attack debate with someone who demanded she debate him after running attack ads on her. No wonder people call her evil, trying to stay classy while running an election campaign, what is she thinking?

Please, no one have a stroke in your rush to refute what I've said and prove she's the anti-christ.

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Thank you. I'll try not to have a stroke. :p

Hillary has made no specific charges against Sanders, only a vague, generalized accusation. It would seem she considers any disagreement with her policies to be "attacks" of improper tone. Sanders, unlike the Republicans, wants to discuss the issues, not her personal life; meanwhile, she has falsely accused him repeatedly of being a "single-issue" candidate, when he has raised far more issues of concern than she has. She simply doesn't want to talk about them. In refusing to debate, she isn't boycotting Sanders, but is boycotting the voters. Frankly, I think Clinton prefers the people remain ignorant, because she knows, once they become educated about her policies, they'll favor her opponent.

For the record, the word, christ, means, knowledge, so you may have hit the nail on the head, in alluding to her as anti-"christ." I think Hillary is part of the general "dumbing down" of America. Any candidate that can't discuss issues during a campaign cannot be regarded as a viable, intelligent choice.
 
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Mischief said:
Agreed. I'm seeing a lot of sexism, including the use of female-specific pejoratives, like "shrew."

To be clear, I don't accuse Bernie of sexism. However, there's a strong tone of it among segments of his supporters, sufficient that his campaign has asked the Bernie Bros to put a cork in it.
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Hilary being female is not why I don't like the lying shrew. And I use male-specific pejoratives when needed, so all is equal.
 
I think Bernie looks like the best candidate on offer out of the 4 that seem to be in the lead.

It isnt to do with sexism though, I just dont like the Clintons, look at Bill- a MAN, who did that horrible thing with that young lady, gross, in the Oval Office.

And then he lied about it.

I dont want a Clinton Dynasty, bad enough that the world had to put up with the Bushes.
 
My opinion doesnt really count though as I am not an American. But if I was American I would want Elizabeth Warren or Jill Stein. They seem like they care about important things.
 
Apparently, Hillary has changed her mind, and agreed to debate Bernie in New York, before the primary. New York is an important state, with a lot of delegates at stake. Hillary represented New York in Congress, while Bernie was born and raised in Brooklyn. Should be interesting.

Sanders Welcomes Clinton Agreement on New York Debate

I don't know that anything has been officially set up yet.
 
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Hilary being female is not why I don't like the lying shrew. And I use male-specific pejoratives when needed, so all is equal.
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But there isn't a male equivalent to "shrew"; it's a term that describes a set of characteristics that is thought to be offensive when a woman has them, but not when a man has them.

I also think that you would have a hard time showing that Hillary lies more than any other candidate.
 
http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector - real hatchet job! Why xojane?
XOJANE is part of the Time Inc. Style Network -
Stephanie Cegielski - To be clear, the Trump campaign never employed me. I only consulted for the MAGA Super PAC. All mtgs took place before I joined the PAC. Stephanie Cegielski (@SCegielskiPR) on Twitter
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and Florida. Yes. it had to be Florida. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/us/politics/trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski.html "... the new security-camera images show Mr. Lewandowski reaching for and then grabbing Ms. Fields’s arm, tugging at her clothing as he pulls her, then walking ahead of her as she reacts, close behind Mr. Trump. The entire episode takes less than four seconds." I feel a video loop coming on ...
 
Indeed, but it is very helpful that there is one.

Although it seems that Trump voters do not know or care about the fact.
 
Trump is the only candidate with even more trust issues than Clinton. He says blatant lies and contradicts himself and changes his mind and breaks pledges.

Hillary's big flaw is trust issues. She must be hoping that Trump wins the Republican nomination because then she can turn it to her advantage.
 
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