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Mischief said:
Liberal media turns on Sanders
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This is a really bad strategy for the Clinton campaign and her supporters. All this negative pushback against Sanders is essentially going to motivate his supporters to stay home on 11/8.

Remember, Democrats want to fall in love, not fall in line. I don't see much love going around. There is a reason why people support Sanders vs. Clinton, and to them the candidates are not interchangeable, just because they are both running as Democrats.
 
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beancounter said:
This is a really bad strategy for the Clinton campaign and her supporters. All this negative pushback against Sanders is essentially going to motivate his supporters to stay home on 11/8.
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It must be extremely convenient, blaming everything on Hillary.

These are sources that were very supportive of Sanders, finding fault with his (non)reaction to physical altercations and death threats made by his official "supporters."
 
beancounter said:
This is a red herring. The specific issue is the alleged violence. The "chair throwing" that no one seems to have any evidence of.

This link is for the Rolling Stone. I seem to remember a story they did that turned out to be completely false....
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I could understand throwing a chair more readily than I could understand threatening people and disseminating their home addresses online in conjunction with threats, but feel free to continue to ignore that behavior.
 
As I said before(I think) maybe this whoha would mostly be avoided if all candidates just stood in a final election and you had the alternative vote system where some people could put Burnie as their first choice, and Clinton as second and vis versa, and the same would go for the Republican candidates.

How does the Alternative Vote work?
The Alternative Vote (AV) is a preferential system where the voter ranks the candidates in order of preference.

Each voter has one vote, but rather than an X, they put a '1' by their first choice a '2' by their second choice, and so on, until they no longer wish to express any further preferences or run out of candidates.

Candidates are elected outright if they gain more than half the votes as first preferences. If not, the candidate who lost (the one with least first preferences) is eliminated and their votes move to the second preference marked on the ballot papers. This process continues until one candidate has half of the votes and is elected.

- See more at: What is the Alternative Vote
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What is the Alternative Vote
 
Indian Summer said:
So it's completely unproven. Yet this made-up story is being used by the Dem leadership and their supporters in the media to back up the claim that a lot of Sanders' supporters at the Nevada convention were violent, and Sanders is being asked to renounce violence.

I think an apology from the Dem leadership would be in order at this point.
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The extent to which this was plastered all over the news is disgraceful. Shame on them. They should spend as much time discussing how they blithely reported false news stories without bothering to vet a fact in order to advance their anointed candidate as they did on the sensationalistic reporting of chair throwing and death threats against grandchildren.
 
They are going to usher freaking Donald Trump into the White House with these transparent tactics! Gone are the days of cigar-smoke filled rooms and deals being done. Today there are the interwebs, and exposure.
 
Hillary Clinton holds 1,768 pledged delegates—allocated through primaries and caucuses—to Sanders’ 1,494. To overcome that deficit, Sanders would have to win 67 percent of all remaining delegates, including massive wins in Clinton-friendly states such as California and New Jersey. Barring an extraordinary shift, this won’t happen. It’s not a live possibility.

And yet Sanders is trying to get around these facts by arguing, in effect, that the will of his voters counts for more than the majority. In doing so, he isn’t just fighting till the last vote for a worthy cause—he’s deriding and disregarding the votes of the party’s most loyal backers, voters who are key to any progressive project, now and in the future.

After Sanders won that same primary, he made a similar argument, saying that he is the only candidate who can win working-class voters, in contrast to a Democratic Party that has allowed a “right-wing extremist Republican Party to capture the votes of the majority of working people in this country.” But this description of the electorate is true only if you omit blacks, Latinos, and Asians. Factor them into the population of “working people,” and Democrats win that group, handily.

Sanders isn’t just planning a run to the convention—he’s also hoping to flip enough superdelegates from the Clinton camp to erase the difference in pledged delegates, giving him the nomination. It’s a fair strategy (given the rules), but a curious one, given the extent to which Team Sanders has blasted superdelegates as unfair—another way the Democratic National Committee has rigged the primary.
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Bernie. Don’t Do This.

The hypocrisy of the Sanders camp is staggering.

Eight years ago, I was torn between supporting Hillary or Obama. What put me over the edge wasBill Clinton's race baiting. I ended up putting in a lot of hours for Obama's campaign.

This year, Sanders and his supporters have lost my respect even more so.

Of course, if Sanders managed to upturn the campaign and somehow become the nominee, I'd vote for him, because Trump is a crazy person. It's sad that so many Sanders supporters are apparently ready to put their bruised egos above the good of the country, but there's nothing that I can do about that.

So, keep on thinking that, simply because YOU like Sanders, he should be the Democratic nominee, no matter what the majority wants. Keep on twisting yourselves into pretzels, trying to justify that mindset. And maybe, at some time in the distant future, you'll find yourself actually listening to that little voice that asks, "How does that make you in any way different from what you claim about Clinton?"

I think that's it for what I want to say in this thread.
 
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