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ledboots said:
I suspect we might have 4 candidates on the ballot, as Sanders doesn't owe the Democrats anything and may well run.
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I'd be very surprised if Sanders runs as an independent. (I think he'll hang on until after the California, New Jersey primaries next week.) I'll also be fairly surprised if the neocon dissidents within the Republican party manage to put forward a proper candidate. Isn't time running out for these sorts of initiatives now? Instead, it seems people are getting in line:
Paul Ryan announces he'll vote for Donald Trump for president (2. June 2016)
 
I'm so tired of the current election already that I haven't even looked at my sample ballot more than a couple of times, much less filled it out. And the California primary is tomorrow. I better get on it. *sigh*
 
Amy SF said:
I'm so tired of the current election already that I haven't even looked at my sample ballot more than a couple of times, much less filled it out. And the California primary is tomorrow. I better get on it. *sigh*
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Me too. I'll be happy to finally be done with the primaries tomorrow.
 
Amy SF said:
Hillary Clinton Has Clinched Democratic Nomination, Survey Reports

So it's the Donald v. Hills. Can't wait for the debates.
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Unfortunately, she has not yet earned those 572 superdelegates. They are not committed to anything, for another 6-weeks.

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Here's me hoping that the California primary today could bring around Bernie Sanders' campaign.

Mainly because he seems to me like a candidate who is looking at creating a brighter future, while Hillary Clinton to me seems very much dedicated to maintaining the status quo.
 
North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, New Mexico, and N.J. too.

This false reporting by the corporate media is an attempt to convince people not to bother voting. It's politics at its filthiest. If anything, this ploy will backfire in Hillary's face. Bernie supporters are savvy enough not to trust the media, so likely, it is Hillary supporters who will stay home and not vote. With her still facing an indictment, and with all the polls showing Bernie the candidate to defeat the Republicans, the superdelegates will be compelled to support him. 6-weeks is a long time. He's going to win.
 
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I remember Clinton saying that the "smoke filled rooms" where the party bosses decided a primary election are no more".

The truth is that the super delegate effectively replaced the smoke filled room.

The purpose of the super delegate is clear. They exist to prevent the unwashed masses from starting a revolution.

Don't even get me started on the electoral college...
 
beancounter said:
The issue I have with Sanders is that he is the hope and change candidate of this election cycle. And we all know how underwhelming hoe and change has been...
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You're comparing apples to grapes. Sanders is not Obama. If Hillary is elected, she will be the token woman president, just as Obama has been the token black president. Neither one of them has or has had a real agenda. Neither does Trump. All of them are floaters, who will twist whatever way the wind blows. On the other hand, Sanders is running on issues- real issues- and it makes a very long list- with well laid out plans. That's the difference.
 
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Capstan said:
You're comparing apples to grapes. Sanders is not Obama. If Hillary is elected, she will be the token woman president, just as Obama has been the token black president. Neither one of them has or has had a real agenda. Neither does Trump. All of them are floaters, who will twist whatever way the wind blows. On the other hand, Sanders is running on issues- real issues- and it makes a very long list- with well laid out plans. That's the difference.
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What is the same, is that, like Obama, he's promising things that he knows will never get pass congress.
 
beancounter said:
What is the same, is that, like Obama, he's promising things that he knows will never get pass congress.
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To me, as a foreigner, Obama seems like the best US president in a very long time. He's made mistakes in his foreign policy, but he appears to have learnt from those mistakes. (Maybe it helped that he got rid of Clinton, a so-called "liberal hawk", as secretary of state.) He's had to deal with a Congress full of neocons and tea partiers who put their own and their sponsors' interests before the interests of the nation, so it's a miracle he got anything done at all. And yet he did: Restored ties with Cuba, made a nuclear deal with Iran (which probably helped a more moderate government get elected in Iran), stood up to the Israeli government on a few occasions, withdrew troops from Afghanistan and Iraq, he's working to close Guantánamo bay prison etc.
 
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