News 2016 U.S. Presidential election - the highs and lows

Before Bernie jumped into the race, I was thinking that Hillary would coast into the White House, and the Republican nominee had an uphill battle. Now I'm not so sure about anything anymore. :rolleyes:
 
Before Bernie jumped into the race, I was thinking that Hillary would coast into the White House, and the Republican nominee had an uphill battle. Now I'm not so sure about anything anymore. :rolleyes:
People think that sexism doesn't play a role in politics, but it sure does. Every woman from either party who has run for president or VP has been mocked and vilified. Laugh all you want about Palin, for example, but she (and SNL skits about her) set US women in politics back for decades. I don't think Hillary ever had a chance.

Example: Palin's oft-quoted I Can See Russia From My House was not her quote, it was Tina Fey as Palin on SNL.
FALSE: 'I Can See Russia from My House'
 
People think that sexism doesn't play a role in politics, but it sure does. Every woman from either party who has run for president or VP has been mocked and vilified. Laugh all you want about Palin, for example, but she (and SNL skits about her) set US women in politics back for decades. I don't think Hillary ever had a chance.

Example: Palin's oft-quoted I Can See Russia From My House was not her quote, it was Tina Fey as Palin on SNL.
FALSE: 'I Can See Russia from My House'

I'm not disagreeing with your point about women in politics, but to put it in perspective Palin did mention the proximity of Alaska to Russian when asked about her experience in national security. It came off as a non-sequitur comment and that's why it was parodied.

What she actually said:

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PALIN: ...That's why we have to keep an eye on Russia. And, Charlie, you're in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They're very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.

(Charlie) GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I'm giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia.We cannot repeat the Cold War. We are thankful that, under Reagan, we won the Cold War, without a shot fired, also. We've learned lessons from that in our relationship with Russia, previously the Soviet Union. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along."
 
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Laugh all you want about Palin

It never occurred to me to consider Palin as a woman.

If you want to mock and vilify her, there are so many very good reasons to do that, you have to be quite uncreative to do it because she is a woman.

Actually, to "vilify" her, you can simply quote 80 % of her public utterances verbatim.
 
Honestly I think we all need to speak for ourselves; personally my criticism of Sarah Palin has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her being (in my opinion) crazy. I don't know though, sexism is a factor for some of her critics maybe?
 
This is from 2010.

"Kornblut has a fine reporter's eye for detail and connections. Sexist incidents that, by themselves, are easily dismissed take on added weight when she catalogues how often and regularly they occurred. If the current talk radio and cable TV culture is a true window on our national psyche, we are one bunch of sick piggies, folks.

Hillary was called a tank, a scold, a lousy mother, a lesbian, a *****. Hecklers called on her to iron their shirts. In major media outlets, commentators said she was a castrating harpy, or compared her to the murderous Glenn Close character in the movie Fatal Attraction. The New York Times described her laugh as a witch-like "cackle."

Sarah was the "caribou Barbie," ripped apart by Katie Couric and lampooned by Tina Fey. She was accused of staging a pregnancy to save one of her daughters from the shame of life as a single mom—and of being a lousy mother, for maintaining her career with a newborn at home. Internet searches for "Sarah Palin bikini" and "Sarah Palin naked" soared. Conservative male commentators seemed fixated on her "babe" looks and "heartthrob" appeal and, after the election, McCain campaign staffers called her a diva, a whack job, a hillbilly, an addictive shopper, a narcissist.


Kornblut supports her anecdotal evidence with polling and academic data and intriguing interviews. She catches White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel making the argument of the A-Woman-President-Is-Inevitable camp, and then blithering and fumbling when trying to name a likely contender.

And former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who should know, tells Kornblut that: "I, frankly, think we crossed the bar on African-Americans quite some time ago. I'm not sure we've crossed it on women."
Clinton, Palin and the Enduring Sexism in American Politics
 
I'm glad I'm just partisan and not sexist... I don't care about three quarters of the stuff people have to say about Sarah. I can go along with the whack job bit, but again that's a partisan point of view and not a sexist one.

And Hilary... Well, it's all mostly a bunch of ******** too...

But banter aside, in the grand scheme of it all there is definitely truth there. Women in politics can echo what their male counterparts say and they get called a ***** among other nasty names while the men saying the same things are praised for being tough, strong and dedicated.
 
Honestly I think we all need to speak for ourselves; personally my criticism of Sarah Palin has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her being (in my opinion) crazy. I don't know though, sexism is a factor for some of her critics maybe?
You're using a word to describe Sarah Plain that is used almost exclusively towards women.
 
You're using a word to describe Sarah Plain that is used almost exclusively towards women.

On what planet is crazy exclusive to describing women? Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are crazier than she is, in which I have sounded like a broken record about and I won't be STFU about those two mouth breathers any time soon. Those knuckleheads are on a whole other level of fundie whack job
 
I use crazy to describe all of the Republican candidates, and throw in the occasional lunatic or loon to change it up. :P
 
On what planet is crazy exclusive to describing women?
You missed some of the words I wrote.

Historically, men have called women crazy as a way to dismiss or marginalize them.

To be more clear, I should have included dismiss and marginalize in my original post.
 
So guys, and gals, let's give Ms. Palin her due, and refer to her as lunatic, insane, deranged or unhinged in the future. I hope those are not gender-specific.
 
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I don't think Palin is crazy. I think she's probably a narcissist, but then, narcissists are probably over-represented among politicians anyway. She's charismatic, narcissistic and stupid, but not as stupid as those who admire her.

I think there's some truth to Spang's assertion that the adjective "crazy", when applied to a female, is often used with the intention of dismissing that female. However, it appears to me that, when applied to a male, it is often used with the intention to get people to fear that male. The exception is when it's applied to an old man - in that case, it's dismissive also. Basically, I think it comes down to how physically powerful the person is to whom the adjective is applied.
 
I watched a Channel 4 documentary about Trump last night and it made me dislike the man even more than I did before! It seemed from watching it like he is tapping into the feelings of (white, badly educated) people who feel marginalised in a similar way that Ukip do to attract some people in the UK. They showed him at a campaign rally and he just shouts out random slogans and gets wild applause.:D

The 'rape' allegation against Trump - and 12 other things we learned from The Mad World Of Donald Trump - Telegraph