UK Brexit aftermath/repercussions

[shyvas]

So, why doesn't she "pull a Tony Blair" and find some excuse to weasel out of implementing it? After all, she herself opposed it before the election. But she keeps chanting "Brexit means Brexit," or whatever her mantra is.

Because she is the PM and has to abide by the majority of the vote.

 

[Joe]

Because she is the PM and has to abide by the majority of the vote.

I agree with you that she is the PM.

However, that makes her a politician, hence a weasel (or someone with weaseling skills) IMHO.

And there are majorities, and then there are majorities. With the razor-thin margin on the Brexit vote, I believe she has plenty of wiggle room if she wants to take it.

 

[shyvas]

I agree with you that she is the PM.

However, that makes her a politician, hence a weasel (or someone with weaseling skills) IMHO.

And there are majorities, and then there are majorities. With the razor-thin margin on the Brexit vote, I believe she has plenty of wiggle room if she wants to take it.

I don't really agree. Not only it wouldn't be honest but the majority has voted.

 

[Joe]

I don't really agree. Not only it wouldn't be honest but the majority has voted.

Well, I think we should just agree to disagree.

If robert99 is right and Britain is truly f'*@ked! by the Brexit vote, then remember that I did not go along with it--that is, did not go along with the notion that the Brexit referendum vote made implementation inevitable, come hell or high water.

 

[robert99]

find some excuse to weasel out of implementing it

I expect it tot take a lonnnnnnng time to sort out all those very very difficult details and then those so mannny other domestic problems to take care of then there's the Harvest Festival to think of and before you know it it'll be Christmas and then New Year's celebrations and afterwards everyone is worn out so we have to all fly away to Thailand or the Caribbean to recover and then there's Easter soon after and before you know it. it'll be time for an election again and ... committee's have to go through the details and ... so on and so on..

 

[shyvas]

Well, I think we should just agree to disagree.

If robert99 is right and Britain is truly f'*@ked! by the Brexit vote, then remember that I did not go along with it--that is, did not go along with the notion that the Brexit referendum vote made implementation inevitable, come hell or high water.

That's fine. It's far more interesting to have different opinions.

 

[Second Summer]

And there are majorities, and then there are majorities. With the razor-thin margin on the Brexit vote, I believe she has plenty of wiggle room if she wants to take it.

The margin was actually larger than or not far off the results from several recent US presidential elections (2000, 2004, 2012). The idea that there should be yet another referendum seems a bit fanciful.

It seems to me that whether the UK will sink or float after exiting the EU depends a lot on the skills and policies of the UK government. It's in the UK's interest to take its time to prepare and get the best possible exit deal.

The UK's relationship with the EU has never been easy. The UK started its own competing trading bloc, the EFTA, in 1960. However, due to, amongst other factors, pressure from the US, the UK decided to attempt joining the EU. Their first attempts at joining (all three of them, if I remember correctly!) were vetoed by president Charles de Gaulle. They finally succeeded after de Gaulle's death, in 1972.

 

[shyvas]

The margin was actually larger than or not far off the results from several recent US presidential elections (2000, 2004, 2012). The idea that there should be yet another referendum seems a bit fanciful.

It seems to me that whether the UK will sink or float after exiting the EU depends a lot on the skills and policies of the UK government. It's in the UK's interest to take its time to prepare and get the best possible exit deal.

The UK's relationship with the EU has never been easy. The UK started its own competing trading bloc, the EFTA, in 1960. However, due to, amongst other factors, pressure from the US, the UK decided to attempt joining the EU. Their first attempts at joining (all three of them, if I remember correctly!) were vetoed by president Charles de Gaulle. They finally succeeded after de Gaulle's death, in 1972.

That's right. It was a high number so I can't see how the PM can now say ''Brexit doesn't mean Brexit''.

 

[Moll Flanders]

Immigration: May rejects points-based system for EU nationals - BBC News

Theresa May refuses to commit to Brexit pledges on immigration and NHS | Politics | The Guardian

The Brexiteers won't be happy.

I saw that the BBC have done a poll and 25% of people considered leaving the UK after the referendum result.

 

[robert99]

25% of people considered leaving the UK after the referendum result

With the people leaving the US if Trump wins, there could be a new country soon!
UK's Brexit minister warns of risks to quick departure | News | DW.COM | 05.09.2016
The UK should "not get too optimistic" about the economy before the process is triggered, said Brexit minister David Davis. Britain's prime minister said there was "no single silver bullet" for tackling immigration.
David Davis, the head of Britain's new Brexit department, on Monday said the government would not be rushed into invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, which would launch the formal process of the UK's exit from the European Union.

Wait a moment wrong Davis ....

That's better - with "Trump outfit". He's the man who'll take all the flack.

 

[Joe]

Wait a moment wrong Davis ....

Who is this fellow with the mustache?

 

[Mischief]

I doubt that GB will get to keep all of the benefits o being part of the EU while shrugging off all of the constraints, which will come as a rude awakening to the pro-Brexiters.

 

[robert99]

Brexit: The phoney war - BBC News
"The politicians' phrases are more about buying time than delivering a plan."
"Watch for those back door deniable channels opening up."
(Those who grew up in the UK will know Dickie Davis - Dickie Davies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

 

[Joe]

(Those who grew up in the UK will know Dickie Davis - Dickie Davies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

Thank you for explaining that to someone who did not grow up in the UK.

 

[Moll Flanders]

Haha, Dickie Davis, that takes me back.

David Davis made his speech yesterday without actually giving any details and being as vague as he possibly could. You would almost think that they don't have a proper plan in place. Government wants Brexit 'national consensus' - BBC News

Not really to do with Brexit, but quite interesting about what has been happening to the left.Does the left have a future? | John Harris | Politics | The Guardian

 

[Second Summer]

I doubt that GB will get to keep all of the benefits o being part of the EU while shrugging off all of the constraints, which will come as a rude awakening to the pro-Brexiters.

I don't think anyone vaguely informed on the Brexit side really thought they would get to keep all of the benefits of the EU membership after leaving. I would think they just thought remaining in the EU didn't seem like a good idea, and that they would be able to negotiate a deal that was better on the whole - losing some benefits and gaining others.

On a different topic - the gloom and doom economic predictions for the UK:

Economists at major City investment banks have cancelled forecasts of a Brexit-inspired recession amid fresh data showing the economy performing more robustly than expected. Britain’s trade deficit narrowed significantly in July, as exports increased by £800m to £28.4bn, while imports fell by £300m to £36.6bn. Construction output was also steady in July, faring better than expected a month after the Brexit vote.

Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse are among the major banks that have now withdrawn earlier predictions that Britain is likely to enter recession.

More: City banks tone down Brexit doom and gloom forecasts (9. September 2016)

 

[Spang]

Not sure if true:

Spoiler

 

[shyvas]

So far, so good for the post-Brexit economy

 

[robert99]

I would rejoin the EU after becoming PM, says Owen Smith
Owen Smith has said the UK could apply to rejoin the EU if Labour wins power under his leadership – even if it means signing up to the euro and fully open borders.

The leadership hopeful said it would be “sensible and responsible” for the party to adopt the policy if the price of Brexit became a further recession, more harsh cuts and the ripping up of workers’ rights.

Mr Smith has previously called for a second referendum before leaving the EU, arguing that most voters were lied to in the campaign that narrowly backed withdrawal.

But today he went further, suggesting Labour should continue to back EU membership, even if the country has left by the next general election in 2020 – and even if euro-membership was then compulsory.

 

[Mischief]

I would rejoin the EU after becoming PM, says Owen Smith
Owen Smith has said the UK could apply to rejoin the EU if Labour wins power under his leadership – even if it means signing up to the euro and fully open borders.

The leadership hopeful said it would be “sensible and responsible” for the party to adopt the policy if the price of Brexit became a further recession, more harsh cuts and the ripping up of workers’ rights.

Mr Smith has previously called for a second referendum before leaving the EU, arguing that most voters were lied to in the campaign that narrowly backed withdrawal.

But today he went further, suggesting Labour should continue to back EU membership, even if the country has left by the next general election in 2020 – and even if euro-membership was then compulsory.

I would think that the EU wouldn't want to do this, after all of the trouble and expense it's going to be to negotiate the Brexit. After all, the UK could simply change its mind again, after the next election, or the one after that.

I mean, the Brexit is going to be a huge and expensive pain to negotiate. I really don't think that people realize how complicated such a disengagement is, after all these years, and with everything so intertwined.