UK Brexit aftermath/repercussions

[robert99]

and like the Titanic, former PM slips beneath the waves ....
David Cameron quits as Conservative MP for Witney - BBC News
Former UK PM David Cameron has stood down as an MP, triggering a by-election in his Oxfordshire seat of Witney.

Mr Cameron, 49, who resigned as prime minister after June's EU referendum, said he did not want to be a "distraction" for new PM Theresa May.
(So where will he turn up next? Consultant probabley with a big salary)

 

[Moll Flanders]

Jeremy Corbyn, Boris Johnson and George Osborne among MPs hit by boundary shakeup | Politics | The Guardian

This was another negative for the Labour party as they knew that these boundary changes were coming up, not that it really matters much now anyway as the last thing I heard is that they were 11 points behind the Conservatives.

Theresa May is 71 points ahead of JC in a YouGov poll. YouGov poll shows May is crushing Corbyn - Business Insider

 

[Second Summer]

Mr Cameron, 49, who resigned as prime minister after June's EU referendum, said he did not want to be a "distraction" for new PM Theresa May.
(So where will he turn up next? Consultant probabley with a big salary)

Perhaps Goldman Sachs, like Barroso, the former president of the European Commission?
Source: EU seeks Barroso 'clarifications' on role at Goldman Sachs - BBC News

 

[robert99]

Brexit: No substantive talks for 12 months, Herman Van Rompuy predicts - BBC News
No substantive talks for 12 months, Herman Van Rompuy predicts
The EU's chief negotiator is on the record calling Cameron, Farage and Boris 'rats'
It would be fair to say Guy Verhofstadt is the last person the Leave camp could have hoped to be appointed as lead Brexit negotiator of the European Parliament. The former Prime Minister of Belgium is a staunch advocate of the EU and has frequently made his anti-Brexit views known.
David Davis has just admitted Parliament can scupper Brexit
Parliament may be able to block full Brexit, admits David Davis
The minister warned the House of Lords to fall into line and pass legislation needed to make the UK's exit happen

 

[robert99]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/15/world/europe/theresa-may-britain-brexit.html
If Mrs. May has signaled any strategy, it is to play for time, giving her government — well stocked with members who were among the most prominent supporters of an exit — a chance to hash out a negotiating position, and perhaps to allow the political passions of the spring and summer to subside somewhat. Despite pressure from Brussels to move quickly, she has said that Britain will not invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, formally notifying an intention to quit the bloc and beginning a two-year negotiation process, until the first quarter of 2017.

The choices ahead are extremely complex and contentious, and for now, Mrs. May is letting various members of her cabinet set their own priorities, while emphasizing that the government — namely, she — has not yet taken official positions. She has no intention, she told Parliament, of giving “a running commentary” of the negotiations.

 

[Moll Flanders]

I'm on the edge of my seat, they are about to announce the new UKIP leader this afternoon.New UKIP leader to succeed Nigel Farage to be revealed - BBC News

I saw some of the candidates being interviewed a while back and they were talking about a burka ban. What is the point of UKIP now we have had the Brexit vote?

Diane James is meant to be the favourite, I heard that she was so confident that she would win that she didn't even bother to turn up to the hustings for the election.

 

[Second Summer]

What is the point of UKIP now we have had the Brexit vote?

It's a fair question ... Some people argue that the voters' "no" should be ignored, though. The UK is still part of the EU, and article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty to leave the union has yet to be triggered. So UKIP still has a mission to put pressure on the government to do what they've promised to do.

 

[Moll Flanders]

I watched Sunday Politics today and the new UKIP leader Diane James says her political heroes are Putin, Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill. New UKIP Leader Diane James: My Political Heroes? Thatcher, Churchill - and Putin | Huffington Post

She thinks that UKIP are the opposition party in waiting and her party wants to focus on immigration, defence and the NHS.

Neil Kinnock says that he thinks he won't see another Labour government during his lifetime. Lord Kinnock warns against Jeremy Corbyn re-election - BBC News

 

[Moll Flanders]

The Labour leadership race ends today and most say Jeremy Corbyn will win against Owen Smith.

I keep reading that anti-Semitism has become a serious problem within the Labour party. Ruth Smeeth says anti-Semitism in Labour is 'normal now' | London Evening Standard

I've never been a Labour party member, but I have mostly voted for Labour in elections so a lot of other people must be in my position and not know who to vote for now. Corbyn victory? It’s a strangely liberating feeling | Barbara Ellen | Opinion | The Guardian

 

[Second Summer]

The west’s leading economic thinktank has backtracked on its warning that the UK would suffer instant damage from a Brexit vote and has thrown its weight behind plans by Theresa May to provide fresh post-referendum support to growth in November’s autumn statement.

The OECD said it expected the UK economy to grow by 1.8% this year, a 0.1 point increase on its pre-referendum estimate, but then fall by more than it had previously envisaged.

More: OECD in Brexit warning U-turn as it revises UK growth forecast

 

[Second Summer]

I keep reading that anti-Semitism has become a serious problem within the Labour party. Ruth Smeeth says anti-Semitism in Labour is 'normal now' | London Evening Standard

That's troubling. I'm curious who these Labour anti-semites are? Palestine-supporters who don't know the difference between Israel criticism and anti-semitism? Muslims?

It's not clear whether the 25,000 abusive messages came from Labour members / supporters - how would they know anyway?

 

[Moll Flanders]

That's troubling. I'm curious who these Labour anti-semites are? Palestine-supporters who don't know the difference between Israel criticism and anti-semitism? Muslims?

It's not clear whether the 25,000 abusive messages came from Labour members / supporters - how would they know anyway?

What do you mean by Muslims? I've no idea why this has suddenly become a problem under JC. I've never heard anything of the kind all the time I've supported Labour. I've read that the people surrounding him are the main issue and that some hard left-wing Labour supporters are almost in an echo chamber where certain offensive views are tolerated. Either way, I'm out, I won't be voting for them again unless something drastically changes.

Jeremy Corbyn video: Labour supporters questioned on antisemitism - Business Insider
Anti-Semitism: Labour to vote on tougher rules - BBC News

 

[robert99]

Jeremy Corbyn issues warning to rebellious MPs as leadership poll closes
n a statement issued on Wednesday, after voting closed at noon, Corbyn promised a “clean slate”, for colleagues in the parliamentary Labour party, who overwhelmingly backed a motion of no confidence in him in June – but also made clear he would expect them to back him.

“As far as I am concerned, the slate will be wiped clean this weekend. If I am re-elected leader, I will reach out and work with all Labour MPs to form a broad and effective opposition to this divisive and floundering Tory government,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/world/europe/jeremy-corbyn-labour-antisemitism.html
From June 30 -
Trying to address accusations of anti-Semitism in Britain’s opposition Labour Party, its embattled leader, Jeremy Corbyn, provoked more outrage on Thursday by comparing Israel to “self-styled Islamic states or organizations.”

Mr. Corbyn’s comment drew instant condemnation from colleagues and Israeli politicians, who initially believed that he had said “Islamic State” rather than Islamic states. But members of his staff insisted that he had been referring to countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia — which are not self-styled and generally are called “Muslim nations” — or to organizations like Hamas. (Israelis would hardly be mollified by the clarification, given that Hamas is a Palestinian group classified as terrorist by Britain and the United States.)

The comment was made at the public introduction of a report on anti-Semitism within the Labour Party that had been ordered after two senior figures in the party — Naseem Shah, a lawmaker, and Ken Livingstone, a former mayor of London — were suspended in April over what was deemed to be anti-Israel commentary.
(seems to me that Israel the country and the Jewish religion are getting mixed up here. )

 

[Second Summer]

What do you mean by Muslims?

I should have been more clear - I meant Muslim immigrants with a family background from the Middle East, who may hold a grudge against both Israel and Jews due to Israel's conflicts with its neighbours. I know of examples of anti-semitic attitudes in this immigrant group e.g. in Sweden, and would think it was not that uncommon throughout Europe.

I've read that the people surrounding him are the main issue and that some hard left-wing Labour supporters are almost in an echo chamber where certain offensive views are tolerated.

It's sad how echo chambers can develop even in the most well-meaning groups.

Looks like Labour needs a new leader who has both better leadership skills and who is politically more to the centre within the party. It seems like it won't happen in a while.

 

[shyvas]

Boris: Brexit talks don't need to take two years

 

[robert99]

Boris: Brexit talks don't need to take two years

According to the link the UK could be swamped with people from the Commonwealth - foreigners that speak English, sort of - how ironic.

 

[Moll Flanders]

Over half of Labour Brexit backers no longer support the party | LabourList

A new poll found that 48 per cent of the 3.5 million Brexit-supporting Labour voters were sticking with the party, nine per cent now back the Tories, eight per cent back UKIP, seven per cent back other parties, three per cent would not vote, and 24 per cent do not know how they will vote.

I thought that Brexit-supporting Labour voters would probably move over to UKIP. I was depressing myself by trying to work out what party I will vote for now if Theresa May does call a General Election next year.

 

[robert99]

"24 per cent do not know how they will vote." The next election could be very interesting. Pro-Brexiters should really be out there pushing their agenda.

 

[robert99]

Corbyn 'vindicated' as he pledges more power to Labour members
A triumphant Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to reward Labour’s mass membership with more power over the running of the party, after he inflicted a thumping defeat on leadership challenger Owen Smith.

Corbyn, who secured almost 62% of the vote – an even bigger mandate than a year ago – told the Observer that his victory was a personal “vindication” that had increased his power and authority to create a mass democratic movement from the grassroots upwards. Smith secured 38% of the 506,438 votes cast.

Setting out his plans for phase two of his leadership after a year of bitter disputes with his MPs, Corbyn said: “I have been given the authority by the members and that is what I intend to deliver on.”

While he insisted he would now “wipe the slate clean” and offer a way back for rebel MPs who had plotted to remove him over the summer, he made clear that it was ordinary members – his power base in the party – who now had to be given a greater say in a remodelled Labour party.
(62 to 38 - not a resounding win. Nearly 40% don't want him)

 

[Moll Flanders]

Ha, I was listening to a podcast and the man speaking talks about the new JC supporters being vegans, I didn't listen to the whole thing, but it was in the first 15 minutes or so. Labour's indestructibles: Can anything stop the hard left? by The Spectator Podcast

Boris Johnson says NHS will get substantial extra funds after Brexit | Politics | The Guardian

Boris Johnson assured David Cameron Brexit would be ‘crushed’ | The Independent