US Controversy over canceled sex talk at hacker convention

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When did I state I approved of such qualities?



Y'know, there's a forum you can post on where Tame can reply.

As for me, I've agreed with him, and I've disagreed with him. This doesn't really fit into your accusation that I'm aiming to appease the almighty Tame.

But tell me, who do you have the beef with? Is it me? Or is it Tame?
Well I for one am kind of creeped out at this situation right now. What kind of person does this? Attempting to set people up on a friendly board and report their comments on another, not friendly and allegedly trollish board, without their knowledge? Especially when these posters apparently have a long and unfriendly history with the person whose board it is, as well as other ex-members of here and VB to whom you are reporting their words without their knowledge?

That is gossipy and dishonest, as you well know. It is troublemaking and 'stirring the pot' behavior. Trying to revive the 'poor Violet' discussion now looks like a pathetic misdirection attempt from my viewpoint. An apology to the women you did this to is in order; personally I would ban you from here in a hearbeat if it were my decision.

I just thought you had an issue with feminists, das_nut, since you continuously bring up "woe is men" in every conceivable thread. It reminds me of when white people complain about "reverse racism." I didn't realize you were trolling to have something to gossip about on another board where apparently the climate is harsher than it is here.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
 
Well I for one am kind of creeped out at this situation right now. What kind of person does this? Attempting to set people up on a friendly board and report their comments on another, not friendly and allegedly trollish board, without their knowledge?

I'd suggest joining this other board that you seem to be referring to and making decisions based after awhile, instead of going by rumors here.

It may be different than what you expect.

I just thought you had an issue with feminists, das_nut, since you continuously bring up "woe is men" in every conceivable thread.

I tend to have an issue with gender-based distinctions. Which may bring me in conflict with feminists, but (IMO) it is a better way to approach the issue. After all, gender is so trivial - even biology doesn't result in gender, which makes gender differences more or less meaningless.

When we stop referring to some cisgender guideline when thinking about people, we'll be far ahead in this world.
 
When we stop referring to some cisgender guideline when thinking about people, we'll be far ahead in this world.
You have a nice collection of PC soundbytes das_nut. I wonder if you understand what any of them mean.
 
I'd suggest joining this other board that you seem to be referring to and making decisions based after awhile, instead of going by rumors here.

It may be different than what you expect.



I tend to have an issue with gender-based distinctions. Which may bring me in conflict with feminists, but (IMO) it is a better way to approach the issue. After all, gender is so trivial - even biology doesn't result in gender, which makes gender differences more or less meaningless.

When we stop referring to some cisgender guideline when thinking about people, we'll be far ahead in this world.
Life is too short to court negativity. I don't participate in those kinds of forums and would not have interest in it.. I joined vb and here to discuss things with other vegetarians.

I won't be engaging in discussions with you about gender, as I find dishonesty a waste of my time. And your redirection to this topic when your unethical actions are brought up is pathetically transparent.
 
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Life is too short to court negativity. I don't participate in those kinds of forums and would not have interest in it.. I joined vb and here to discuss things with other vegetarians.

Is life long enough to make assumptions on a group based on what another group says?

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You have a nice collection of PC soundbytes das_nut. I wonder if you understand what any of them mean.

I may be so far into PC that you don't understand me.

Kind of like if I was arguing that homosexuality was perfectly A-OK with someone who had a belief system in the early 1900s.
 
I may be so far into PC that you don't understand me.

Kind of like if I was arguing that homosexuality was perfectly A-OK with someone who had a belief system in the early 1900s.
Oh don't flatter yourself. You are utterly transparent.
 
Oh don't flatter yourself. You are utterly transparent.

I have to agree with Pickle Juice on this, das_nut. I used to give you the benefit of the doubt on the whole sex and gender thing, thinking that it was just part of your tendency to think of yourself as an expert even on topics where you have a very superficial knowledge, but you lost me when you took it on yourself to say that it would be unacceptable for birth control to be discussed at all in the women's section. I've had difficulty taking your subsequent pronouncements on gender and sex seriously.

ETA: In the interests of fairness, I have to say I don't think that you start threads here just to have fodder for GB. I also don't think you realize how sexist you are.
 
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I'll engage in this thread, since you seem to think that women should be judged if they have a "sex worker" name.
Just for the record, here is the perfect example of you warping what someone said to suit your own agenda, and then confusing a bunch of other people to argue on your side, when your side was completely manufactured out of your own imagination.

No one asserted that anyone should be judged for having a sex worker name. What my ridiculous post full of those stereotypical images was intended to criticize was the idea that we must always refrain from judging the appearances of people who are deliberately choosing to sell themselves in their chosen niche. Forget what was in the post, since it went over almost everyone's heads. Let's say I want work as a children's birthday party clown. So I start a blog where I talk about all the children's birthday parties I've already worked at, and for my photo I choose a picture of myself done up as a clown, I have a Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. in my business name, where I post photos of myself in clown gear, and videos of myself doing my clown thing at parties.

Is it safe to judge from how I am presenting myself that I would be an excellent choice for anyone wanting to hire a clown? Is it wrong to say of me that I must be a clown, when I have gone to so much trouble to convince everyone the I am indeed wanting to be hired as a clown for your next party? Here I am walking around in clown gear, and I should be offended if someone calls me a clown? If I wanted people to think I'm really a Supreme Court Justice, do you think I'd be going around as a clown?

That post wasn't even about Violet Blue and how she presents herself. It was about you getting on your high horse and claiming we must never judge people based on how they look, and all I was doing was saying there are plenty of people who are more than happy to be judged based on their carefully considered personal presentation because they are trying to sell themselves in a business market that JUDGES PEOPLE BY HOW THEY LOOK.

Hence, IF I wanted to sell myself as a sex expert, and I didn't want to use my own name, there's a chance I might get more business if I called myself something clever with sexual connotations than if I went by Agatha Thorndike, yes? I'd probably be better off if I didn't dress in extremely conservative business attire either.

Without knowing Violet Blue, I daresay she's not so foolish as to be unaware that how she chooses to present herself to the public will benefit her in her career if she chooses carefully. Assuming she is aware of how things work in the business world is assuming she possesses a modicum of intelligence, and assuming she knows what she's doing when she sets about cultivating her image.

None of that was intended as an indictment against Ms Blue. It was just to illustrate that there are plenty of situations in which people expect to be judged on how they present themselves, indeed, are hoping that they will be judged on how they present themselves, because they want to be found and accepted by the people to whom they are marketing themselves for business purposes.

You're the one who took advantage of all the people who couldn't see the forest for the trees, and turned this into the monumental mess it became, and even then, when it didn't go your way, you had to go offsite whining about the mean ladies on VV who made you cry. But that's par for the course for most misogynists. Set women against one another by a little clever manipulation and a little clouding of the real issue, and then you can just sit back and enjoy the catfight.
 
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I tend to have an issue with gender-based distinctions. Which may bring me in conflict with feminists, but (IMO) it is a better way to approach the issue. After all, gender is so trivial - even biology doesn't result in gender, which makes gender differences more or less meaningless.
That looks a lot like male-privilege to me, especially the 'gender is so trivial' part.
 
Ive always taken exception to the assertion that gender is a social construction*. Believe me, if you are transgender, like I am, you know that gender exists, because you dont fit in and you can see that many others do fit pretty well into the cis genders without even trying.

*possibly unpopular opinion which might arouse more arguments.
 
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And i am not in the mood for any arguments or even any fun lampooning tonight, am very tired and upset from having had screaming match with someone, and not had a good day, including being bitten all over by mosquitos and spraying coconut milk over a wide area and hard to reach places and having to clean it.
 
That looks a lot like male-privilege to me, especially the 'gender is so trivial' part.


Thanks for saying that. It's not trivial. Among other ways, I'm constantly made aware of it by my fear and lack of freedom moving around my city at night (and no, it's not the same for males, in my relatively safe area), going from the parking lot at work at night (females are encouraged to have security walk them), going from the street to my house at night, etc. etc. etc. Just treating differences as if they don't exist or that there actually is parity is ridiculous and insensitive in the face of reality. Same as if I said, "I don't see color! I'm beyond that!" and then claimed that black people have the same experience that I do, or that the differences are trivial.
 
And i am not in the mood for any arguments or even any fun lampooning tonight, am very tired and upset from having had screaming match with someone, and not had a good day, including being bitten all over by mosquitos and spraying coconut milk over a wide area and hard to reach places and having to clean it.
Ugh, I hope today goes better for you. :) Mosquitoes.
 
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What my ridiculous post full of those stereotypical images was intended to criticize was the idea that we must always refrain from judging the appearances of people who are deliberately choosing to sell themselves in their chosen niche.

Are you criticizing how she dresses when she's talked at previous cons? Because I'm having a hard time seeing how that's supposed to sexually titillate. If you have a problem with that, I think the problem exists in your head, and not with how she's dressing.

Or are you criticizing how she dresses when she's not talking at cons? Because I'm going to have to strongly disagree that we should judge people based on how they've dressed at another time.

That post wasn't even about Violet Blue and how she presents herself. It was about you getting on your high horse and claiming we must never judge people based on how they look, and all I was doing was saying there are plenty of people who are more than happy to be judged based on their carefully considered personal presentation because they are trying to sell themselves in a business market that JUDGES PEOPLE BY HOW THEY LOOK.

You've never been to a hacker con. Your ignorance is showing. Showing up in t-shirts is just fine, and people are more interested in what you're talking about.

I understand that there are people who rely on leveraging cultural expectations to further their own goals. It probably makes some people very happy. But just because it makes people happy doesn't mean it's right. After all, someone may be happy that they are white, and they may be happy that they got the job because the hiring manager only wanted to hire whites, but that doesn't make it right.

Hence, IF I wanted to sell myself as a sex expert, and I didn't want to use my own name, there's a chance I might get more business if I called myself something clever with sexual connotations than if I went by Agatha Thorndike, yes?

I'm sorry, I don't really watch porn or read dirty novels, so I may be missing something. Is "Violet" or "Blue" sexual slang for something, or maybe the phrase "Violet Blue"?

Without knowing Violet Blue, I daresay she's not so foolish as to be unaware that how she chooses to present herself to the public will benefit her in her career if she chooses carefully.

And once again, can you please link to a con talk that features her speaking and tell us how she's dressing "wrong"?

That looks a lot like male-privilege to me, especially the 'gender is so trivial' part.

Gender is trivial. Culturally, we have built up strong gender stereotypes during the years, and those stereotypes include ideas about which gender is weaker, which gender is stronger, which gender is more fragile, which gender is more resilient, which gender is more nurturing, which gender is more warlike, etc. Yet as we move away from strict gender roles, we hopefully will end up entering a world where we understand that gender is extremely trivial in most regards. It isn't the limitation or definition of a person.
 
Are you criticizing how she dresses when she's talked at previous cons? Because I'm having a hard time seeing how that's supposed to sexually titillate. If you have a problem with that, I think the problem exists in your head, and not with how she's dressing.

Or are you criticizing how she dresses when she's not talking at cons? Because I'm going to have to strongly disagree that we should judge people based on how they've dressed at another time.



You've never been to a hacker con. Your ignorance is showing. Showing up in t-shirts is just fine, and people are more interested in what you're talking about.

I understand that there are people who rely on leveraging cultural expectations to further their own goals. It probably makes some people very happy. But just because it makes people happy doesn't mean it's right. After all, someone may be happy that they are white, and they may be happy that they got the job because the hiring manager only wanted to hire whites, but that doesn't make it right.



I'm sorry, I don't really watch porn or read dirty novels, so I may be missing something. Is "Violet" or "Blue" sexual slang for something, or maybe the phrase "Violet Blue"?



And once again, can you please link to a con talk that features her speaking and tell us how she's dressing "wrong"?



Gender is trivial. Culturally, we have built up strong gender stereotypes during the years, and those stereotypes include ideas about which gender is weaker, which gender is stronger, which gender is more fragile, which gender is more resilient, which gender is more nurturing, which gender is more warlike, etc. Yet as we move away from strict gender roles, we hopefully will end up entering a world where we understand that gender is extremely trivial in most regards. It isn't the limitation or definition of a person.
You sure talk a lot about trivial matters like gender. In fact, it appears from where I'm sitting that you would turn a discussion about which sweeteners are better into a gender discussion if you could only find a way. I guess beet sugar discussions are of no import to the other board you skulk over to.
 
Gender is trivial. Culturally, we have built up strong gender stereotypes during the years, and those stereotypes include ideas about which gender is weaker, which gender is stronger, which gender is more fragile, which gender is more resilient,

Yes, I am sure sex offenders are thinking of "stereotypes" and "gender roles" when they plan their attacks. :rolleyes:

Anyway I see this argument as a pointless waste of time. Really we are dealing with one who is unable to reason.
 
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I'm sorry, I don't really watch porn or read dirty novels, so I may be missing something. Is "Violet" or "Blue" sexual slang for something, or maybe the phrase "Violet Blue"?
Looks like the problem all along has been that you don't actually read what people write, just what you wish they would write so you can maintain your poor widdle mens fantasy.

Nice try at shaming me for knowing the sexual connotations of the word "blue" though.

This thread is all yours now, as far as I am concerned. Keep digging yourself in deeper.
 
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