US Controversy over canceled sex talk at hacker convention

[Eleven]

Dang, I must have fat fingered the url again.

 

[ledboots]

Looks like the problem all along has been that you don't actually read what people write, just what you wish they would write so you can maintain your poor widdle mens fantasy.

Nice try at shaming me for knowing the sexual connotations of the word "blue" though.

This thread is all yours now, as far as I am concerned. Keep digging yourself in deeper.

"Blue" has been code for "porn" since WWII, as far as I know. "Blue" films, etc.

 

[Pickle Juice]

"Blue" has been code for "porn" since WWII, as far as I know. "Blue" films, etc.

Careful now, you don't want to be corrupting the innocent, posting stuff like this.

 

[yally]

By the by, the UK's most well known mainstream sexpert is called Tracey Cox.

 

[Moll Flanders]

By the by, the UK's most well known mainstream sexpert is called Tracey Cox.

I was going to mention her as I find her very accessible and down to earth.

 

[Spang]

Gender is trivial.

 

[Tom L.]

I didn't realize that it was okay to base judgements on how people are named or how they dress.

In theory, it isn't. But it happens all the time- even to me, a middle-aged-going-on-senior-citizen male who wears a full, three-inch-long beard and tends to be casual about his appearance (although I make some effort to be presentable- at work anyway).

 

[das_nut]

"Blue" has been code for "porn" since WWII, as far as I know. "Blue" films, etc.

I honestly didn't know this.

So what's violet code for then?

 

[das_nut]

Yes, I am sure sex offenders are thinking of "stereotypes" and "gender roles" when they plan their attacks.

A fish doesn't think of water, but it still swims in it.

And I'd advocate not thinking like a sex offender.

In theory, it isn't. But it happens all the time- even to me, a middle-aged-going-on-senior-citizen male who wears a full, three-inch-long beard and tends to be casual about his appearance (although I make some effort to be presentable- at work anyway).

Work can be pretty bad about that. A lot of workplaces reinforce the idea of a middle-class, white and white-collar, business dress code, or a white and blue-collar labor dress code. It may be specifically outlined (a formal dress code specification) or it may be unofficially reinforced (for example, not hiring anyone with cornrows).

But obviously, just because other people do it doesn't mean its right to do.

 

[das_nut]

What I meant is that its very easy to associate gender with specific behavior and abilities. But such associations tend to be disproven over time.

The difference between a man and a woman, and what they can and cannot do (the gender distinction) is trivial. Especially when it comes down to the individual level.

 

[das_nut]

And I finally figured out how to tell if a women dresses like a sex worker.

The NYPD was very helpful in that regards. It turns out that short skirt + carrying condoms is dressing like a sex worker.

 

[Pickle Juice]

... personally I would ban you from here in a heartbeat if it were my decision.

I agree. The only problem is that people like this usually come right back with a new name, and it sometimes it takes a while to root them out. I'll admit that if das_nut did need a new name to come back under, Wormtongue would be a good choice.

 

[yally]

I agree. The only problem is that people like this usually come right back with a new name, and it sometimes it takes a while to root them out. I'll admit that if das_nut did need a new name to come back under, Wormtongue would be a good choice.

You know I find myself hovering over report for a lot of your posts (and that's something I never do). You're very aggressive for a mod.

 

[Envy]

I agree. The only problem is that people like this usually come right back with a new name, and it sometimes it takes a while to root them out. I'll admit that if das_nut did need a new name to come back under, Wormtongue would be a good choice.

I see that you're doing your best to not escalate the situation.

 

[ledboots]

It seems like Picklejuice vents her spleen honestly and in the open.

Plus I lolled so loudly right when it got quiet in here (restaurant waiting for Daughter.)

 

[mlp]

You know I find myself hovering over report for a lot of your posts (and that's something I never do). You're very aggressive for a mod.

I'm puzzled - it's O.K. to "vent" on other boards, but it's not O.K. to express one's feelings directly? Dishonesty is more acceptable than honesty?

 

[yally]

I'm puzzled - it's O.K. to "vent" on other boards, but it's not O.K. to express one's feelings directly? Dishonesty is more acceptable than honesty?

Honestly I feel like mods should be more diplomatic. I don't think aggression is healthy in general. I'd vent about certain people because if I said what I needed to say in the open, I'd be banned.

EDIT: also PJ's posts are usually far more aggressive than most 'venting' I may have heard elsewhere. Most of her posts. While the rest of seem to be getting on fairly happily the rest of the time.

 

[mlp]

I think that mods need to be disinterested when wearing their mod hats. Other than that, they're already volunteering their time and effort to make this place work, and I wouldn't expect them to give up even more for something for which they are not getting paid.

We have more leeway here than was had on VB, which I think is a healthy thing, rather than being gossipy and spiteful behind people's backs. The latter is no less aggressive.

 

[yally]

I think that mods need to be disinterested when wearing their mod hats. Other than that, they're already volunteering their time and effort to make this place work, and I wouldn't expect them to give up even more for something for which they are not getting paid.

We have more leeway here than was had on VB, which I think is a healthy thing, rather than being gossipy and spiteful behind people's backs. The latter is no less aggressive.

You know I do agree

 

[Pickle Juice]

Honestly I feel like mods should be more diplomatic. I don't think aggression is healthy in general. I'd vent about certain people because if I said what I needed to say in the open, I'd be banned.

EDIT: also PJ's posts are usually far more aggressive than most 'venting' I may have heard elsewhere. Most of her posts. While the rest of seem to be getting on fairly happily the rest of the time.

You know something Yally? It's ok for you to get on your high horse and sit in judgement of me, since you're apparently one of the chosen ones. Meanwhile I'm sitting here feeling very relieved that I never post anything of a deeply personal and serious nature in any of our "private" sections. I have no doubt I'm not the only one who feels this way.

What you don't seem to either be aware of, or care about, is what people like das_nut do to damage a community like this. People like das_nut and Tame do not have friends. Everyone is fodder for their malicious entertainment. You may think you have nothing to worry about, but you need to think again, if you really believe you won't ever have your own posts shared elsewhere without your knowledge or permission and subjected to ridicule.

We've already had a situation like this arise in which someone here went to VB and informed on people here, reporting what was posted in one of our private sections, which resulted in some of them getting banned from there, and another person feeling very alienated here. Again, I guess as long as no one's treating you like that, that's ok by you.

It's not ok by me.

It's too bad for you that you find me aggressive. But that's what you read into it because of whatever personality traits you possess. I don't recall having directed more than a handful of posts your way, so I don't really know what I have ever said to you that should give you such a problem with me, but feel free to attack me all you like. I don't report people who attack me. I handle it myself. Don't think for a moment that because I am a mod that I'm gonna get any special treatment. If Indian Summer thinks I'm crossing a line I'll step down immediately. But I am angry, and I'm gonna have my say. Not because it's personal, but because this kind of crap is not good for a community like ours, where we are subject to enough ridicule and attack from non-veg*ns.

I don't expect to be liked by everyone. I do expect every member here to show equal respect for all other members. I'd expect that whether I was a mod or not. Anyone who takes what gets discussed here to a hostile forum for the selfish and sick purpose of ridiculing it doesn't deserve respect, and anyone who tries to defend that behavior doesn't deserve it either. I'd be of the exact same opinion if someone was doing that to you, and I'd say the same things in defense of you as I am saying in defense of myself, and the other people who have been treated to this by das_nut. It's your loss if you can't see that.