Silly/Annoying/Funny Things Omnis Say

[Muggle]

Some absolute classic moments from a thread about the horse meat scandal on a wicca and witchcraft forum I sometimes go on.

Opening post:

"I don't know about anyone else but I am finding this whole horse meat story very distressing. Today there were stories in the press about ponies being shot in the head to be killed.

I didn't know horses were just shot and not stunned first - seems so sad - animals that have been loved and trusting in humans then dispatched in such a way by strangers. "

then a load of posts about how all the mislabelling is bad and some people posting that they don't understand why some people are more concerned that it's horse rather than the actual mislabelling.

Anyway, this is the OP again:

"I actually think there is a huge difference between eating a horse and a cow. A horse or pony will have been a family pet or working animal that will have been around humans all its life and have been used and or abused depending on how lucky or not it has been. Do the horse owners on this site eat their own animals?
A cow is farmed and not interacted with in the same way."

And then another poster:

"The eating of horse flesh in the UK has been taboo since Celtic times - they revered the horse as sacred and while they also revered those animals we now farm for food the horse never - EVER - was eaten on these shores/

I find it sad that some folks think there is 'no difference' between eating farmed animals and - as Holly so rightly pointed out - the elderly remains of someone's pet. Horses are way more expensive to keep and are not farmed in the way that cattle, sheep and pigs are.

Did you know that unline those other creatures horses may not be allowed to see each other put to sleep since it upsets them so much?


I can speak from experience since I'm a horse owner. There is NO WAY any of my horses would end up in the food chain. There is legislastion in the horse passport system that is meant to protect those horses who have had bute administered and prevent this - not that that allows for back room dealing and frankly bent abbatoir owners. If we believe the reports that the horse meat in the food is from romanian horses then one can hope that this is working at least from this end. I have my doubts.

I would say the vast percentage of horses PTS in this country are elderly pets and will almost certainly have had bute administered since it is the first stop painkiller that vets prescribe as a matter of course.

Other countries do not have such rigorous systems nor the cultural taboo against eating horses."

(Holly is the OP)

I might have been a bit of a ***** in my post on that thread. I didn't respond to those two directly but I did say:
"I have friends who have cattle as pets. They have individual personalities and love their humans as much as any dog, cat or horse will.
Same goes for the pet sheep at my work.

But hey ho. When I realised that I was massive hypocrite for condemning people who ate dog when I happily chowed down on animals that are just as loving and endearing as any dog I stopped eating meat.


EDIT:

Don't get me wrong, I find the whole thing shocking but because of mislabelling and the fraud. I encounter mislabelling of food nearly everytime I look at a restaurant menu so it's something that really gets my goat up.
So I can understand people being angry about that. But the pathetic people who whine "oh no! I might have eaten horse! I can't be eating black beauty! It's wrong to kill horses for meat. Boo hoo. Woe is me!" are bloody pathetic hypocrites and I have no time for them.
I don't care if people eat meat (no seriously I really don't care) but I have no time of day for people who condemn people for eating horse/rabbit/dog/cat/deer etc or say that they could never eat them (usually for stupid reasons like "but they're pets!" or "but Bambi!" etc) whilst happily chowing down on slab of cow corpse not realising what a hypocrite they are. Those people also get my goat up."

I'm in a bad mood today.

 

[Moll Flanders]

As a vegan I probably can't help the animals already being killed but the more people who reject eating meat means that less animals will be artificially bred for consumption as the meat industry will hopefully become less profitable.

Unfortunately that has some weight. Going veg*an can only stop animals from being born solely to suffer and die. It cannot stop those already born from suffering and dying.

An omni had a good response to the post I posted earlier:

"As an omnivore, that is probably the weakest argument I have heard. My mother used it frequently.
Firstly, it discounts the existence of wild hates, rabbits, ducks, grouse, pheasant, teal, salmon, trout, zander, carp, pike, perch, char, herring, cod, haddock, pouting, coley, gurnard, plaice, sardine, mackerel, crab, etc - so plenty of creatures that aren't brought into existence solely for the purpose of providing food.
Secondly, it's debatable whether an intensively farmed chicken or a sow in a farrowing crate particularly enjoys being alive. If it ends up dead and then wasn't replaced by more animals to live in the same fairly miserable existence, that would mean fewer animals dying in all - as the last tranche of animals would have been slaughtered anyway, the actual decrease in death follows that.
Thirdly, it's just a lousy way of either being sanctimonious over people who don't want to eat meat or trying to divorce oneself from the reality that there is something on the plate which is dead and it is dead because the person wishes to eat it.
By all means be happy to eat meat. But don't use stupid arze false logic to try and justify it"

 

[Clueless Git]

I wouldn't say that had any weight. A few strands of logic, maybe, but not weight.

A self sinking argument must have some weight, surely?

 

[Clueless Git]

Did you know that unline those other creatures horses may not be allowed to see each other put to sleep since it upsets them so much?

Having sat at the killing gate of a knackers yard many times, Annia, I can assure whoever said that of this; Horses get no more or less upset than any other similar sized creature.

 

[Clueless Git]

An omni had a good response to the post I posted earlier:

"As an omnivore, that is probably the weakest argument I have heard. My mother used it frequently.
Firstly, it discounts the existence of wild hates, rabbits, ducks, grouse, pheasant, teal, salmon, trout, zander, carp, pike, perch, char, herring, cod, haddock, pouting, coley, gurnard, plaice, sardine, mackerel, crab, etc - so plenty of creatures that aren't brought into existence solely for the purpose of providing food.
Secondly, it's debatable whether an intensively farmed chicken or a sow in a farrowing crate particularly enjoys being alive. If it ends up dead and then wasn't replaced by more animals to live in the same fairly miserable existence, that would mean fewer animals dying in all - as the last tranche of animals would have been slaughtered anyway, the actual decrease in death follows that.
Thirdly, it's just a lousy way of either being sanctimonious over people who don't want to eat meat or trying to divorce oneself from the reality that there is something on the plate which is dead and it is dead because the person wishes to eat it.
By all means be happy to eat meat. But don't use stupid arze false logic to try and justify it"

One question on that one, Moll ...

By what non stupid arze logic did the omni in question justify that being the cause of cruelty out of pure selfishness is something that any sane person should be happy about?

 

[Moll Flanders]

^ She considers herself a well informed omni I think, probably one of those "ethical" meat eaters we hear about.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Saw this on someone's FB:

I know that for several years of my life I ate meat. I knew I was eating animals even though there was still that disconnect there until I went veg*n. However, never did I once ever joke about eating an animal. I knew that was what I was eating , but I never felt the need to laugh about it and make ridiculous jokes. Especially when looking at animals in pictures or seeing them in real life.

I truly don't understand the people who can look at a picture of this adorable little guy and find humor in it and also not feel a shred of guilt or disgust the next time they eat a strip of bacon.

I'm half considering posting this pic on my Facebook.
...
Hear me out! There will be some who make jokes, and some who 'like' it. But maybe just a few will take it seriously and realise what they're doing.
Thoughts? Xxx

 

[thefadedone]

^You can try and see what happens, but I'm not really optimistic that it will work. Worth a shot though.

 

[thefadedone]

This is what I think every time I hear that stupid sentence.

 

[FortyTwo]

THE ELEMENT OF BACON. That would be clever if it weren't so dumb.

 

[Danielle]

Because we need this thread, it was my favourite

On the phone to my mother, and she listed restaurant options as 'vegetarian, vegan, and ordinary'

Ppshh who wants to be ordinary
ordinary=boring
in other words,
"On the phone to my mother, and she listed restaurant options as 'vegetarian, vegan, and BORING"

 

[mary1]

You mum sounds great, Danielle!

 

[Danielle]

??
"what's wrong with a cheese pizza?"
I dunno, would you like to turn into a dairy cow and find out?
She knows what they go through

 

[Catteh]

Yeah since I turned veggie a couple of years back I just use the excuse 'I don't like the taste of meat' when omnis asked me why I'm veggie, simply because I can't be bothered to hear their stupid arguments trying to get me to eat meat. I tried explaining to a couple of people why I actually don't eat meat but it just ended up in a stupid argument because they assumed I was personally attacking their own lifestyle choices, when in fact I was just expressing my own views.

 

[AeryFairy]

My mother introduced me to a friend of hers yesterday. Her friend is a butcher. The first thing she said to him was "this is my daughter, you won't like her, she's a vegan".

 

[ledboots]

My mother introduced me to a friend of hers yesterday. Her friend is a butcher. The first thing she said to him was "this is my daughter, you won't like her, she's a vegan".

You are bad for business, girl!

 

[hungryraccoon]

My mother introduced me to a friend of hers yesterday. Her friend is a butcher. The first thing she said to him was "this is my daughter, you won't like her, she's a vegan".

More like you won't like him. Pshh.

 

[thefadedone]

My mother introduced me to a friend of hers yesterday. Her friend is a butcher. The first thing she said to him was "this is my daughter, you won't like her, she's a vegan".

At least it wasn't a friend that she wanted to hook you up with! What a disaster that would be.

 

[RabbitLuvr]

At Easter dinner, my MIL was talking about her cousin, who was trying to put some weight on her (the cousin's) mother, who is elderly and very underweight. The meal was sausage, sausage (cream) gravy, buttermilk biscuits. I looked at Husband and started saying "I'm not making that for you," and another guest piped in with "yeah because you'd get one smell and eat ALL OF IT."
No.

Then the guest and my MIL talked about how they absolutely couldn't go more than three days without meat. (To be fair, my MIL is a terrible cook, and I might go back to omni, out of desperation, if I had to eat the horrible things she calls "cooked veggies.")

 

[Freesia]

Now I want fake sausages, gravy and buttered bread rolls.