TV & Film The Walking Dead

Amazing episode!

The Maggie scene was incredibly unnerving, even more than Merle beating the crap out of Glenn. I think they just put that in there to try and freak out the people who had read the comic, as
in the comic Michonne gets repeatedly sexually assaulted by the Governor
and there are already plenty of parallels, if not duplications, from the comic. Like when the Governor said that
he was going to bring in Glenn's hand if Maggie didn't obey him
that was a HUGE comic reference.

As for people wanting to know more about Michonne, here's some comic spoilers on her background:
She was a lawyer. When the apocalypse began she raided her neighbor's house, who had always collected tons of swords but never really cared to learn how to use them. Her "pets" were her boyfriend and his friend, who hadn't managed to escape the zombies. She learned that having zombies around her made other ones ignore her, so she chained the two of them up and chopped off their arms and jaws so they couldn't attack her.

Rick not trusting Michonne seemed uncharacteristic, but only really for Season 1 Rick. As the show has gone on, he's gotten much less trusting and much more generally angry at life. I feel like having Shane try to kill him put a huge dent in his ability to trust others. Losing Lori probably didn't help either.

Did anyone else find the whole thing with Mr. Coleman to be kind-of pointless and crazy? All it did IMO was show that the Governor still is trying to save the Walking Daughter ( :rofl: ) which was already evident from the fact that he's psychotically still holding on to her in the first place. And I suppose they're trying to develop the character of the scientist whose name I still haven't caught, and who I'm thinking has some very strong parallels to another comic character.
 
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FortyTwo said:
and there are already plenty of parallels, if not duplications, from the comic. Like when the Governor said that
he was going to bring in Glenn's hand if Maggie didn't obey him
that was a HUGE comic reference.
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That got completely by me! Wow - how could I have missed that?

I do love the parallels...they always manage a nice twist.
 
I fully agree with all the comments so far. I was also waiting for some explanation on the identity of the hermit dude. At first I assumed he was one of the Governor's look out men.

Every time Andrea starts to redeem herself with me she goes ahead and makes a dumbass decision and then I hate her all over again.:rolleyes:

I really hate that next week is the finale. This show is such a tease! It seems like it just started back up.
 
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I'm not a fan of mid-season finales, or when shows just take random long breaks between episodes.
 
Rosie said:
I'm not a fan of mid-season finales, or when shows just take random long breaks between episodes.
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Exactly. However, I lack the patience of waiting for the season to end and then waiting again for it to be released on dvd. While it's great to watch the entire season all at once, it's too frustrating to have to wait that long.
 
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Rosie said:
I'm not a fan of mid-season finales, or when shows just take random long breaks between episodes.
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It's just another way of cheating us out of our due. I find it really annoying. New seasons start later and later with more breaks in between and then they end way too early altogether... It's not fair. *stamps foot while pouting*
 
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amazing episode indeed!

Glenn kicked ***!
not only taking down the walker but when he headbutted Merle, that was the best.

omg Maggie: i really felt for her but was so glad when she
told the Governor to do whatever he was gonna do and "go to hell".

loved how they had Carl
guarding over Hershel while he stitched up Michonne, loitering his trigger-finger over his gun the whole time. lol.

too many of ya'all to quote so i'll just put in my thoughts on some things brought up:
Michonne knows these are Andrea's people but she has to be wary and aloof for her own protection. She witnessed the Carol/Rick/baby girl reunion scene and as an outsider looking in for the first time, i can't help but think she could see that the mother of the baby was dead, that Rick and Carl crying meant they were the husband and son of that dead mother and that she was touched in some small way. When Rick came in shortly after that scene and grabbed Michonne's wound, i think he was just reacting with shock at the news of Glen and Maggie's kidnapping. Michonne is there to get their help to bust up the Gov and his sick little town and i think she's keeping mum about Merle knowing Glen and looking for his brother because if she mentions it, it may cause inner conflict with Daryl giving his all in taking down the town. He may be all hesitantly shooting if he thinks he might shoot his own brother.

as for a Michonne/Daryl hook up...yeah, they would be quite the kick *** couple. lol.
but him and Carol got too much history and stuff!
how about Michonne and Oscar? now there'd be a kick *** couple too. plus they're both newcomers to the group as well.

it goes without saying, but how each one reacts in a zombie apocalypse where you lose the people you love the most is so uniquely individual and that's why i just can't hate Andrea who watched her sister turn and had to kill her as a walker and then was in that depressed and suicidal state for a long while after.

the paranoid hermit could be the crazed outcast of the town that the Gov put out there in the first place?

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I have to say in my opinion the acting thus far this season is really good.

I just LOVE how the writers are setting this up - with all of the intertwined character storylines. Meryle's loyalty will be challenged - his brother or the governor. He could break from the governor - at which point the plot could really take some twists and turns. I think the fact that Michonne is alive plays Meryle's hand - once the gov sees she is alive - bam. And then there are all the complexities of the group having to deal with Meryle and Daryl. What a hotbed of testosterone! When Andrea finally sees the light - will it be too late for her? I've grown to like her - despite her careening off unknowingly to the dark side.

Great scene with Carol and the baby - so much communicated in so few words. Moving.
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agree with all of this. and the Carol reunion scene had me :sob:
 
and if any of you missed The Talking Dead, they showed this mind-blowing trailer for next week's episode:

p.s. thefadedone: i've been searching high and low, but can't find any current episodes of The Talking Dead any wheres! sorry. :(
 
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I predict that Hershel's death is imminent, probably within the next few episodes, and that the reason they're doing these scenes with Milton that seem completely irrelevant to the storyline is to build his character in preparation for him becoming the group's new doctor after the dust settles from the upcoming conflict.

And in regards to The Governor's need to add numbers to his town being in conflict with his tendency to kill off any groups he comes into contact with, this is actually a fairly standard tactic even in modern times, though the way it plays out on a global scale is much more political.

Individuals with something useful to provide, such as Andrea or, until she went rogue, Michonne, are absorbed and assimilated into the society if possible. Self sufficient groups on the other hand are dangerous though because they already have their own leadership and their own agenda. They cannot be assimilated without creating internal conflict, such as leadership struggles. If they are small enough they are simply destroyed (the National Guard convoy). If they match your own strength and events have already been set in place that will lead you to conflict, then you'd better do everything within your power to make sure you will win that conflict. Aside from The Governor's obvious psychotic tendencies, and ignoring how unrealistic the fight with the convoy was (privates straight out of boot camp could have put up a better convoy defense), I think The Governor's tactics make sense. He happens to be a crazy *******, but that's a different problem :p

It might seem unethical to kill off disillusioned deserters rather than simply letting them leave, but disillusioned deserters can be dangerous. The town is great for defending against zombies, but extremely vulnerable to other humans. It's guards are typically well in view up on those walls, and most of the town is surrounded by dense woods. If that fight with the convoy was any indication, I imagine they're gonna go more for a cinematic style shootout than actual tactics. But in a realistic (yeah, I know, zombies) scenario, a couple well placed guerrilla marksmen could tear Woodbury apart with ease from relative safety. A few well placed shots to the chest of some of the guards would leave them with zombie problems both on the inside and outside. Outside because of the zombies that are now massing unchecked, and inside because of the guards that will eventually reanimate. Once that defense is no longer active, a couple well placed burning arrows or even a couple burning pieces of wood thrown on top of the wooden portions of the wall would be enough to condemn the entire town.

Yeah I know I've over thought this. What can I say? I'm a nerd.
 
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Yes, and I had realized that too, while the fighting men in the convoy could have been valuable, as a group they pose too much of a threat to his authority. Same with the prison group, they fact that they are a group makes them dangerous to him. :(

As we've seen with the group we follow, if you are going to kick someone out or leave them for dead you had damn well better kill them, because they always come back and make a nuisance of themselves. I'm looking at you, Merle! :mad: So I understand them going after Michonne. I think everyone expected that, except maybe Andrea, because she's very very stupid.

But hopefully she won't always be. :shrug:
 
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kazyeeqen said:
Yes, and I had realized that too, while the fighting men in the convoy could have been valuable, as a group they pose too much of a threat to his authority. Same with the prison group, they fact that they are a group makes them dangerous to him. :(

As we've seen with the group we follow, if you are going to kick someone out or leave them for dead you had damn well better kill them, because they always come back and make a nuisance of themselves. I'm looking at you, Merle! :mad: So I understand them going after Michonne. I think everyone expected that, except maybe Andrea, because she's very very stupid.

But hopefully she won't always be. :shrug:
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Not to mention Andrew, the prisoner whose escape resulted in the deaths of T-Dog and Lori.

I hope Andrea comes around. She definitely has her moments, and I really want to like her. I don't think she's completely brainwashed though. I imagine if she knew what The Governor was up to she'd take him out without a second thought about it. She's not bad, like you said just stupid sometimes (particularly when it comes to character judgement).
 
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Yeah, I was thinking of Andrew too. Never just assume they are dead. :no:

I agree about Andrea. I just like a fighting chick. Michonne is awesome, Maggie certainly holds her own, but there just aren't as many competent lady fighters as there are dudes, and Andrea is pretty bad *** these days, I like that.

When Beth volunteered to go after Glenn and Maggie I liked that she volunteered and that no one even mentioned it and obviously she wasn't going. :P Carl carries his own gun and Beth I guess should just hope to defeat zombies with her shy smile. :rolleyes:
 
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FortyTwo said:
Naw, them walkers wouldn't dare take a chunk outta me! I'm a sweet 'ol country gal.
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I'll just look up at them through my eyelashes and then maybe somebody else will kill them for me.

Seriously though, somebody teach that girl to fight, not just walkers but bad bad men. :(
 
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I'll just look up at them through my eyelashes and then maybe somebody else will kill them for me.

Seriously though, somebody teach that girl to fight, not just walkers but bad bad men. :(
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They actually said (I can't remember if it was in an article or a talking dead episode or what) that they had intended to kill Hershel off earlier but came to the conclusion that they could still get some more interesting drama out of him. The loss of his leg is the first such scenario that comes to mind. Looking at it like that, the fact that Beth is still alive despite having very little to do with the plot, other than being a Greene family extra, leads me to believe they've got plans for her. Kidnapping victim for the next evil character they come across? Carl's first love in season 5 or 6? Random helpless young pretty girl to keep around for when the plot calls for one of the more hardened characters to do something heroic?
 
Love your theories and predictions Yakherder! They make a lot of sense. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
 
awesome mid-season finale.

Glenn getting all MacGyver on that zombie's forearm and handing it over to Maggie to use a lethal weapon was ingenious.
Maggie using the weapon to nail that guy in the throat was one of the baddest *** kills this episode.

The rescue of Maggie and Glenn...what a sweet moment of relief!

New humans! gotta tip my hat to Carl for handling them just right.

Epic battles between Michonne and the Gov and Team Prison vs Team Woodbury. Was bummed to see Oscar shot.

i think Daryl got caught on purpose so he could see Merle.

Dates to mark in our calendars:

Dec 31 - Jan 1 - Marathon Seasons 1, 2 and 3

Feb 10 - Mid Season Premiere, followed by the Talking Dead which will now run 1 full hour instead of 1/2 hour.
 
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Another amazing episode and again not a let down at all.

Loved, loved all the fight scenes. This season was so action packed. Much more exciting than the previous seasons. I understand they mainly focused on character development, but they still needed a lot more kick *** action like we saw consistently throughout this past season. Hope that trend continues.

I'm also disappointed that they killed of Oscar so soon. Seems like his character would've had a lot of potential. Although I'm liking this new group and their fearless leader.

OMG I was just waiting for Andrea to "accidently" shoot someone from Rick's group. I was more shocked that she didn't. She is so blind that it's infuriating. :bang:

Interesting theory about Daryl, PiSis. I didn't consider that.

Sucks we have to wait till February, but it is returning on my birthday and that alone is a great gift!
 
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