US US Politics 2024

[Second Summer]

My condolences to those of you who value democracy, rule of law, the climate, science-based medicine, women's bodily autonomy, not cosying up to dictators and other authoritarian figures ... And to Israel's neighbours ... And to Ukraine ... And to all those who Trump sees as the "enemy within". These are truly dark days.

Europe is going to have to learn to fend for itself. And deal with our own authoritarian politicians and their supporters who now probably feel emboldened to emulate Trump over here.

 

[Lou]

I'm starting to think there has to be a reason America needs to go through this...like we need to get knocked down a peg or two. But Again? Because we didn't learn the first time? I mean, we've had it pretty good up until 2016.

not exactly the first time. Pretty much the same thing with the McCarthy years. And pretty much the same **** in the late '30s. Pretty hard to learn lessons from history when you don't remember them. And here it wasn't even long -ago history.

It's my nature to look on the bright side. Maybe this time Americans will learn the lesson.

 

[Emma JC]

I did not sleep last night - we turned off the election around 1am and I tried to go to sleep but my brain would not stop trying to comprehend what was happening as I did not, in a million years, think that It was going to win again. So I read, basically, all night long and refused to check the news as I wanted to live, as long as possible, in a world where she maybe won. I feel sick and depressed (and tired) and really can't believe that 75 million Americans did that. Big hugs to all of you there and to all of us around the world as we are going to need to all the love we can find to share.

Emma JC
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[Raven]

I did not sleep last night - we turned off the election around 1am and I tried to go to sleep

I switched off the TV about midnight. I was flicking through the channels before that and watched a show with Stormy Daniels and our ex-Prime Minister talking about the election! I checked the results when I woke up during the night and saw what happened.

 

[Lou]

Sad

 

[Freesia]

Saw it all afternoon and evening. Extremely surprising, was not expecting that result. Final result came in at 8pm NZ time. I will definitely be paying even more attention to the news now, it has never been more important to keep up with what is going on.

 

[Brian W]

I was taking a lunch break at work when I found out. My heart sank. I had been posting pages of Trump's history and statements on FB in the naive hope of swaying a few people and now I will take them down, apart from the ones that show how unchristian christian nationalism is. I was reminded of a psalm which says about not putting your trust in leaders but put it in God who never changes. Thankfully I have that hope - not everybody does. I wish America all the best.

 

[Brian W]

I just had a shock. My pro-Trump evangelical cousin had posted a list of "I believe" statements concerning abortion. I commented "I also believe in a woman's right to an abortion if she would die without one." I could not believe her answer. She wrote "women do not die from not having an abortion." I had to send her links to information about three women who had died and a reuters fact check. It seems people have been posting videos saying that women cannot die that way.

 

[KLS52]

I think I might cry if I watch this. It's going to be so sad.

 

[KLS52]

I just had a shock. My pro-Trump evangelical cousin had posted a list of "I believe" statements concerning abortion. I commented "I also believe in a woman's right to an abortion if she would die without one." I could not believe her answer. She wrote "women do not die from not having an abortion." I had to send her links to information about three women who had died and a reuters fact check. It seems people have been posting videos saying that women cannot die that way.

I know I share too much in this forum sometimes. Then I regret it lol.

But here goes...

Interestingly enough, in 1979 I was pregnant with my third child. At 12 weeks the fetus (which was my baby to me) had died. This was on a Monday. Because my doctor was Catholic and affiliated with a Catholic hospital, I had to carry the dead fetus until I went into natural labor, which didn't happen until Friday night. I'll spare the gory details. It was torture and took a tremendous physical, not just mental, toll on my body. I could have easily been a statistic had something gone wrong. And this wasn't even due to some law at the time, but rather a religious aspect. I just don't understand the mentality of making someone go through that. And I'm a practicing Catholic.

Fortunately, my son was born two years later. After him I got pregnant again and the same thing happened where the fetus died at 8 weeks. You can bet I had a different doctor at that point and was able to have a D&C. Made a world of difference in my physical recovery.

 

[Chryssie]

Big hugs to you @KLS52! I am so sorry you had to go through that!

 

[SuicideBlonde]

@KLS52

 

[Raven]

I'm so sorry xxx

 

[PTree15]

I know I share too much in this forum sometimes. Then I regret it lol.

But here goes...

Interestingly enough, in 1979 I was pregnant with my third child. At 12 weeks the fetus (which was my baby to me) had died. This was on a Monday. Because my doctor was Catholic and affiliated with a Catholic hospital, I had to carry the dead fetus until I went into natural labor, which didn't happen until Friday night. I'll spare the gory details. It was torture and took a tremendous physical, not just mental, toll on my body. I could have easily been a statistic had something gone wrong. And this wasn't even due to some law at the time, but rather a religious aspect. I just don't understand the mentality of making someone go through that. And I'm a practicing Catholic.

Fortunately, my son was born two years later. After him I got pregnant again and the same thing happened where the fetus died at 8 weeks. You can bet I had a different doctor at that point and was able to have a D&C. Made a world of difference in my physical recovery.

How awful, KLS. I am so sorry that you had to go through that. This is my big fear for women of childbearing age, that they will die needlessly because they can't get the care they need when a pregnancy threatens their lives. The cesspool of disinformation that is social media is making me sick, not to mention the complete lack of critical thinking among so many voters.