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Mischief said:
So, Trump is refusing to participate in the next debate because Fox is reusing to replace Kelly as a moderator: Republican debate: Seven candidates against the man who isn’t there

In a normal world, people would see this grandstanding for what it is, but obviously, there's a sizable portion of the electorate who think Trump can do no wrong. It'll be interesting how this pans out.
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I think Trump's argument with Fox News about Kelly is ridiculous and some of his statements about Kelly were so ugly I can't believe he's still considered a viable candidate, but no doubt Fox News in general is hostile to Trump's candidacy and has allowed themselves to sink to a level which is not appropriate for a network hosting a presidential nominee debate. If that were the reason Trump chose to skip the debate last night, then I think that would be understandable.

Fox News have become part of the Republican establishment, and for a significant portion of the electorate this election is about giving the middle finger to the establishment. Or so I have read, somewhere. I think.
 
Trump still got more press than the republicans who took part in the debate. Since trump is a terrible debater, he probably has good handlers advising him. He held a big rally for veterans instead of the debate. I honestly cannot believe he is still in the race at this late date.
 
From downunder , its an amusing and weird process to watch unfold , the attacks on each other are usually reserved for the opposition , not supposes members of your own party . :rolleyes:
 
Jeremy said:
And this may well be where the tables turn on Trump. He's starting to show that he's not the conservative that the radicalized Grand Old Tea Party want.
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Yeah. It's making me consider voting in the Republican primary this year.
 
Andy_T said:
Will they admit you?
So do you want to sabotage their overall election chances by voting for Trump? :D
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Yes. In this state, you just tell them, on entering the polling place, whether you want a Republican or Democratic ballot for the primary.

I'm not thinking so much about sabotage, but of having the least awful Republican candidate in case the Republicans win the general election. I'd rather have Trump than Cruz or Rubio, who appear to be the only other viable candidates. And since I'd be perfectly happy with either Bernie or Hillary on the Democratic side, I'm not feeling particularly compelled to vote in the Democratic primary.

Bonus points for the likelihood that the GOP will be fractured for decades to come if Trump becomes the GOP candidate....
 
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Andy_T said:
You might try out that one: Find out the critical differences between Bernie & Hillary
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I'm not saying that there aren't differences between Hillary and Bernie. However, the fact is that, if elected, Hillary won't be able to push through as progressive an agenda as she promises, and Bernie can't go any better, as much as he might want to. The American Presidency is very limited in power, except when it comes to waging undeclared wars.

I mean, do the Sanders supporters really think that Congress is going to joyfully skip along to bernie's tune? (Or Hillary's, for that matter?!) They are going to be just as obstructionist as they have been with Obama. Even if the Democrats were to regain a majority in both chambers (extremely unlikely), the fact is that many of the Democrats in Congress are substantially to the right of not just Bernie, but also Hillary.

So, really, it doesn't matter whether Hillary or Bernie is in the Oval Office - the most that we can hope for is that it's not a Republican President, with a Republican majority in both the House and the Senate.
 
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It's pretty simple really. It won't matter that much if Sanders or Clinton win in November unless Democrats take back the congress/senate too. The main thing as things stand it would only prevent a monster like Cruz from making his horrible vision a reality.

I think the bottom line is that Democrats need to wake the hell up and realize that congressional and senatorial races as just as important as the presidency. People need to start voting in mid term elections too. Why Democrats historically don't think it's important and opt to stay home for these elections is beyond me. It's such an up hill battle in an age where no one is willing to give or take even an inch.
 
Mischief said:
I'm not saying that there aren't differences between Hillary and Bernie. However, the fact is that, if elected, Hillary won't be able to push through as progressive an agenda as she promises, and Bernie can't go any better, as much as he might want to. The American Presidency is very limited in power, except when it comes to waging undeclared wars.

I mean, do the Sanders supporters really think that Congress is going to joyfully skip along to bernie's tune? (Or Hillary's, for that matter?!) They are going to be just as obstructionist as they have been with Obama. Even if the Democrats were to regain a majority in both chambers (extremely unlikely), the fact is that many of the Democrats in Congress are substantially to the right of not just Bernie, but also Hillary.

So, really, it doesn't matter whether Hillary or Bernie is in the Oval Office - the most that we can hope for is that it's not a Republican President, with a Republican majority in both the House and the Senate.
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Pardon my saying so, but that sounds pretty defeatist to me. Canada recently turned its whole government around. The US turned its government around in 1933, when it elected FDR. It can do it again- nothing is set in stone- but only if people get out and vote, including the primaries. If you're saying, individuals don't matter- that only parties matter- I couldn't disagree with you more. Sanders and ¢linton are lightyears apart in their policies; meanwhile, almost the whole Congress is up for re-electiom.
 
The election takes on even more significance with the looming Supreme Court nomination. I feel the current Congress will stall the nomination, blocking anyone Obama puts up.

I think that is a tactical error, though, because likely his nominee would be to the right of what Sanders or Clinton will choose.
 
Andy_T said:
You might try out that one: Find out the critical differences between Bernie & Hillary
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