I recently finished watching a video on someone who claimed to be vegan but had her health trashed with numerous problems and deficiencies. I take these stories with a grain of salt because I realize health issues can develop on any diet, and if I believe the presenter isn't purposely lying to me, they might have something interesting to communicate. The person presenting the video complained of numerous health problems but what caught my attention were the mineral deficiencies and specifically zinc deficiency. Many of the other claims she made were just misinformed and bad science. However, it brings me to the heart of this thread. How do you feel about processed vegan products in general? I buy tofu and tempeh (I know how they're made and consider them whole) and some noodles that I know aren't whole wheat but generally I steer clear of the processed stuff unless I can see it is made of a majority of whole foods and not food isolates and extracts. I eat bread but in my country it's hard to find a true 100% wholegrain risen bread (hence the thread asking if anyone makes their own). The wholegrain noodles are easier to find...I should buy them more. What I'm trying to get at is: I can see where some people who depended on meat for mineral intake, vitamin intake, protein etc can get deficient on a vegan diet, especially if the food they eat is predominately processed, stripped of nutrients found in whole foods, sweetened with refined sugars, made up of protein isolates etc etc. Example: mock meats that are made up of protein isolates with a few minerals and vitamins added. Example: Dairy free ice cream with a tiny bit of fruit and loaded with high fructose corn syrup (I actually called the company and complained...by God, it's a frozen product! They could have at least used real fruit to sweeten it! Example: baked goods that are vegan but made with a large portion of white flour and lacking in minerals, fiber, good fats etc. Generally, I see these as convenient and maybe ok transition foods, but generally the more processed, the worse they are for veganism. If people feel they need to eat a cow to get vitamins and minerals and essential fats because they weren't getting them on a vegan diet, there's a problem - not with the vegan part of the diet, but the part that processed food choices had in their diet that got them considering going back in the first place. Your thoughts?