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Hillary Clinton will not beat Donald Trump in November. I am predicting it now. I am not a supporter of either by the way, but that's my unofficial prediction.
 
I only think that will happen if all the Bernie supporters who threatened to throw a temper tantrum and vote for Trump actually follow through and do it.
 
I even know some staunch Republicans that were going to consider voting for Bernie because they don't like Trump. Shocking but true. But they won't vote for Hillary. It seems it's either people love her or they hate her, there is no in between. Thus the reason for my prediction. I think Bernie would have a better chance of beating Trump but then again it remains to be seen come November. I'm not for any of the main 4 so I am kind of just observing the election from afar.
 
With 42% of the vote, Bernie did better in New York than Obama did in '08, with just 40% of the vote.

In order to win the nomination by pledged delegates, Hillary has to win all of the remaining states by about 65%, including New York, which she took by less than 58%. It's really impossible for her to "clinch" the nomination by pledged delegates, which means, it will become a contested nomination on the floor of the convention itself. Sanders is not going to drop out of the race, and he still has an excellent chance of taking more delegates to the convention than Hillary. The DNC knows Bernie is the candidate who can defeat the Republicans. This is a long way from being over.
 
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Wolfie said:
I even know some staunch Republicans that were going to consider voting for Bernie because they don't like Trump. Shocking but true. But they won't vote for Hillary. It seems it's either people love her or they hate her, there is no in between.
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It might be because I'm an outsider, but I don't see why HC stirs up strong emotions either way.
 
Moll Flanders said:
It might be because I'm an outsider, but I don't see why HC stirs up strong emotions either way.
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I think that it is rather that they would go out and vote for Bernie Sanders, but possibly stay at home if Hillary Clinton was the nominee, as there is not that much difference between her positions and that of a republican candidate...
 
wouldn't it be better to have the Alternative Vote system, where you vote for the candidates in order of preference...? Then just one big vote at some point.
 
Moll Flanders said:
It might be because I'm an outsider, but I don't see why HC stirs up strong emotions either way.
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Some think her positions are too far towards the middle, while Bernies is too far to the left. We don't have a candidate that more middle of the road democrat, so everyone is sort of on opposite sides.

I prefer Hillary, she's safer and is rooted in reality, anti-NRA, and pro-stem cell research. Bernie is too pro-trophy hunting, NRA, dairy farming, and anti- stem cell research for my taste.

It seems like everyone is against her because the anti people are very loud and vocal, but as you've seen by her popularity in the polls, far from everyone feels that way.
 
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Bernie isn't getting an anti Bernie noise because, apart from the vociferous Bernie supporters, no one thinks he might be a candidate in the general election. If he were the candidate, all that the Republicans would have to do is play a tape of Bernie describing himself as a socialist on a loop, and Trump/Cruz/whoever would walk away with the election.
 
This was on a friend's timeline in response to someone talking about Bernie reforming the Democratic party, and I think it's spot on. Also, the person who said this is one of the few, non-fanatical Bernie supporters.

If you want to reform the Democratic Party (or any party), then quit complaining about it and waiting for a white knight or savior to rescue you and get involved in party politics and organizing. Instead of waiting for a revolution, go make one. Unfortunately, for a lot of people, making one involves lots of tedious work and going to lots of meetings and making phone calls and it's just a lot easier to show up at a couple rallies with a bunch of people, vote in a primary, then self-righteously complain about the injustice of it all.

This is my biggest complaint about most Bernie supporters. The excuse to continue to do nothing is baked in the cake: "If Bernie doesn't win, we're doomed!" No, if Bernie doesn't win, we'll be fine, assuming Cruz or Drumpf don't win, which is why I'm not that upset at Bernie not winning. He's already done a lot for this race by pushing the debate to the left. But where he can REALLY have an effect–and where we'll really lose if this doesn't happen–is by getting people who think the system needs to change involved in the system trying to change it! Don't like closed primaries in your state? Fine, get involved and try to get the rules changed (for my part I prefer closed primaries, but that's because I think you should be involved with a party if you want to select the party's nominee). Think there should be better access to polling places? There are groups that work on that: donate money to them, volunteer, call your legislators, etc.

If you think the Democratic Party needs an overhaul, bitching about it from afar is pretty much the worst way to affect that. Joining the party and doing the work needed at the grassroots is the best way.
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Don't forget: Most of the love for Trump comes from Republicans/conservatives. There are many, many Americans who don't consider themselves Republican or conservative, and their general reaction to Trump is this:

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Wolfie said:
I even know some staunch Republicans that were going to consider voting for Bernie because they don't like Trump. Shocking but true. But they won't vote for Hillary. It seems it's either people love her or they hate her, there is no in between. Thus the reason for my prediction. I think Bernie would have a better chance of beating Trump but then again it remains to be seen come November. I'm not for any of the main 4 so I am kind of just observing the election from afar.
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I'm opposed to Hillary as president because, domestic issues aside, regarding foreign policy, she's a war-hawk. Her mentor, and IMO, one of the worst villains of the 20th-century, Henry Kissinger said, "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac." I believe Hillary, as his student, is victim of his theory. She enjoys toppling governments overseas, and wants to do it some more. She may pay lip-service to domestic issues, but if elected, her focus will be, not on America, but on an aggressive foreign policy. In recent comments, she has implied that Bernie, because he is Jewish, is a traitor to his own people, because he has been critical of some of Israel's military actions. Somehow, she equates ethnic background with national affiliation, which of course, is false. Even before the election, she is attempting to set up an Arabian chess-board, using the nation of Israel as one of her pawns. Without directly saying so, she is using religion (Judaism) as a basis for foreign policy. It's been done before. I believe she is one of the most dangerous persons on earth today.

Perhaps she believes some sort of "victory" is to be had in the Middle East? There is no victory for the United States in Arabia. I think a lot of Americans believe, perhaps because the US invented the hydrogen bomb, that if you apply enough military force, anything can be accomplished. Might makes right, as they say. It's why they supported Bush and his disastrous Arabian wars. Of course, as long as they don't have to go overseas themselves and do the actual fighting, why should they care about the outcome? It's the same with Hillary. War is a game to her that has no personal consequences for herself or those close to her. It's just an exercise of power, a flexing of muscles, for sport.

The US already spends over half its total money on military matters, an obscene amount. I believe it's Hillary's intention to continue that pursuit. She will follow the path of least resistance, which means, she will acquiesce to the munitions-makers and the military establishment.

I agree, Hillary can't defeat Trump in a general election, because she is the more reckless of the two; furthermore, she has the training and experience to actually implement her reckless designs. Far from being the "safe" candidate, she is the opposite, a very dangerous one.
 
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