News 2016 U.S. Presidential election - the highs and lows

Trump is experiencing a post-convention bounce which is normal at this point in the election cycle. It will be interesting to see how much of a bounce HRC will get once the DNC is over.
 
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Not telling anyone how to vote, just another perspective on a "wasted vote".

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Trump supporters tell me it will be my fault if Clinton wins. Clinton supporters tell me it will be my fault if Trump wins. He has said some despicable things and she has done some despicable things. Neither one will get my vote. But I won't tell someone else they are wasting theirs by voting for their desired candidate.
 

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And that's why I'm not a Libertarian. I can't live my life always thinking me, me, me, who cares how it affects others.

I don't think it's selfish to do what is safe for everyone, rather than only being concerned with myself. I have a list of wonderful animal activists who I would prefer as president that I could write in, but that isn't realistic. They aren't going to win. I need to do what I can to help make sure the future for a lot of people isn't going to be destroyed. So, I'm going to use common sense and vote for Hillary instead of some idealistic nonsense that's going to get us Trump.
 
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^ We were having a similar discussion about UK politics on here recently. I can see why people like to vote for someone/a party they actually believe in, but I vote tactically as I vote for what I see as the least worst outcome. It's a pretty annoying system. I think Clinton would make a competent president so I would probably just ignore any negatives about her and vote against Trump if I lived there.
 
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I'm sure Republicans wouldn't mind a Libertarian in there at all to try to help fulfill their fiscal wish list... Same tax rate for the rich as the lower middle class... Repeal the ACA and cut Medicare/Medicaid by 50%, privatize Social Security, gut Welfare, etc. Libertarians share the same fiscal wet dreams as Republicans that much is for absolute certain. The difference between the Libertarians and the Republicans is that the Libertarians actually stay out of our bedrooms, our medicine cabinets, and our uterus's (well not MY uterus, but you know what I mean). If I'm to vote my conscience, the Libertarians really blow it. The Democratic platform is the full package, despite anything Hilary has allegedly done.
 
To those of you in the "wasted vote" camp:

Every single election cycle, it's the same old tactic, yet people fall for it again and again.
Both parties work to paint the other candidate as the anti-Christ. It's is quite common to hear such warning from the party loyalist that if the other person wins, we'll live under a fascist regime or something similar.

The Psychology of Voting

The truth is that there are plenty of checks and balances to prevent such things.

Some comic relief:
 
Yes, but it would be nice to have a Democratic president and congress and actually get things done. I'm hopeful it'll happen this time. If we end up with it split like last time, things will more or less be stalled, but if Trump is in there, it will be a financial disaster for our country regardless of who's in congress.
 
Hillary Clinton Made History Last Night, But You Wouldn’t Know It From These Front Pages

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Ms. Magazine once put Nancy Pelosi on their cover partly because, as they pointed out, the nation's first female Speaker of the House was never featured on the cover of Time magazine.

Well, if Hillary wins, Time will HAVE to put her on their cover.

But not very often.
 
In response to folks who think not voting for Hillary will lead to a Trump presidency:

The idea that not voting Hillary causes Trump to win only makes sense if you believe she’s entitled to win. I’m as horrified of Hillary as I am of Trump because Hillary poses a direct danger to me, my family and other communities of marginalized people in America and around the globe.

And with y’all voting for Hillary because you put yourself above others, I’ll be worrying about my safety and protection. Stop pretending like you’re voting for Hillary because you care about other marginalized people — you ******* don’t. You’re voting for Hillary because the other proto-fascist, Trump, threatens you directly. You’re voting for Hillary because you’ll get yours and you don’t care about the other marginalized people that it will come at the expense of — that will be severely harmed and put in danger under a Clinton presidency.
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In response to folks who think not voting for Hillary will lead to a Trump presidency:
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That is outrageous and offensive, arrogant and presumptuous.

I'm voting for Hillary not just because I'm anti-Trump, but also because I think she's the best qualified candidate AND because I believe she cares enough about a lot of different people to continue Obama's legacy and make life better for everyone. If this person thinks she won't feel safe with Hillary Clinton as president, that's her prerogative, but to claim most other minorities and women won't vote for her and won't feel safe is just, well, plainly stupid. Claiming that someone who "feels safe" and votes for Hillary is coming from a position of "privilege" disregards the intelligence of people like myself who like HRC and what she's accomplished and WANT her to be president.

Wait until November and all those supposed anti-Hillary voters get to the polls and we'll see what happens.
 
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I'm voting for Hillary not just because I'm anti-Trump, but also because I think she's the best qualified candidate AND because I believe she cares enough about a lot of different people to continue Obama's legacy and make life better for everyone.
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It looks like you're voting for Hillary Clinton because you actually like her. There are a lot of people who aren't a big fan of hers but will still vote for her in an effort to keep the reality star with no political experience out of the White House. Some of those people think that they are doing marginalized people a favor. The author of the article is speaking to those folks.
 
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For a country of 300 plus million , with a long history of democracy , I thought the USofA could have came up with a better quality of leadership to run for the top job .
 
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I'm voting for her because I like her as well, I voted for her 8 years ago too. My family and friends were split between Hillary and Bernie, now most of my Bernie friends are voting for Hillary and a couple for Jill.
 
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I do have to say that I had a lump in my throat when HC made the comment about little girls and their future.:)
 
Amy SF said:
That is outrageous and offensive, arrogant and presumptuous.

I'm voting for Hillary not just because I'm anti-Trump, but also because I think she's the best qualified candidate AND because I believe she cares enough about a lot of different people to continue Obama's legacy and make life better for everyone. If this person thinks she won't feel safe with Hillary Clinton as president, that's her prerogative, but to claim most other minorities and women won't vote for her and won't feel safe is just, well, plainly stupid. Claiming that someone who "feels safe" and votes for Hillary is coming from a position of "privilege" disregards the intelligence of people like myself who like HRC and what she's accomplished and WANT her to be president.

Wait until November and all those supposed anti-Hillary voters get to the polls and we'll see what happens.
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Agreed 100%.

That "argument" also flies in the face of the reality, unless someone is actually assuming/arguing that African Americans and Latinos (who support Hillary in overwhelming numbers) are coming from a position of privilege.

Really, some of the things that are being spouted this election cycle ....
 
I've been sitting here, listening to Sanders supporters trying to chant over speakers like the former chief of police of Pittsburgh, a retired admiral, Leon Panetta. How embarrassing for them (those Sanders supporters, not the speakers).
 
Thinking about the scenario where Johnson and/or Stein would actually carry a state or two. I know it's not likely but still a scenario to think about. I wonder how many people have actually read the US Constitution? People who see no harm in voting for a third party need to read and think about the 12th Amendment to the US Constitution. If no candidate gets a majority of Electoral College votes then the decision goes to the US House of Representatives to chose among the top 3 vote getters. The Senate gets to chose the Vice-President from the top two VP vote getters. So if Hillary Clinton only gets 269 or less of the total 538 Electoral College votes, then the House of Representatives gets to chose who they want, and they can and with the current makeup of the House, will ignore the popular vote and chose the most right wing candidate, either Trump or Johnson.

Hillary Clinton is the most qualified of any candidate, having served as First Lady, Secretary of State and the US Senator from New York. Much thanks to Bernie Sanders we have the most progressive platform since 1932. But if any third party candidate manages to win any states Electoral votes, then even if Hillary wins a majority of votes and a plurality of the Electoral votes, the election results become moot.

Jill Stein will be lucky to get 5% of the vote and will serve as nothing but a spoiler. And Stein has zero qualifications for the job. She has only served as a town council member. Gary Johnson has a better chance but he is a Libertarian follower of Ayn Rand. They believe in the smallest government possible. With a Libertarian President expect a Lord of the Flies existence where everyone is on their own. What is left of the social safety net would be privatized or removed completely.

Amendment XII

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
 
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