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beancounter said:
The Philanthropic Problem with Hillary Clinton’s Huge Speaking Fees

https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2014...eaking-fees/?gclid=CL6zk9SXitACFcJAhgodJ2EGDw
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I've never gotten what the big deal is about the speaking fees. If Trump wanted to pay me a million dollars to talk about how great he is at one of his rallies, I'd sign that contract in a heartbeat. I'd get paid first though. ;)
If someone can earn huge speaking fees, more power to them. It's not like they're raising the price of a life saving drug by 5000%, they're just being paid to make a celebrity appearance.

How come no one is making a big deal out of what Trump gets paid?

...An examination of the highest speaking fees ever paid puts Donald Trump on top with the staggering $1.5 million the Learning Annex paid him for each speech he delivered at the company’s real estate “wealth expos” in 2006 and 2007, more than was earned from addresses by former U.S. President Ronald Reagan and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair...
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The Most Expensive Speeches
Think Clinton Got Big Speaking Fees? Here's What Trump Gets

And unlike Trump, when the Clintons were millions of dollars in debt, they didn't claim bankruptcy, they made money through speaking fees and actually paid off their debts.

‘Dead broke': A deep dive into the Clintons’ finances
 
Calliegirl said:
I've never gotten what the big deal is about the speaking fees.
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Because there is the potential for favoritism. Corps and wealthy individuals give money to politicians because they expect the recipient to pass laws that favor their interest.

And that is why Clinton's and Kaine's relationship with the financial industry concerns me.
 
beancounter said:
Because there is the potential for favoritism. Corps and wealthy individuals give money to politicians because they expect the recipient to pass laws that favor their interest.

And that is why Clinton's and Kaine's relationship with the financial industry concerns me.
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She's taken money from Wall Street in the past (campaign and speeches) and had no problem speaking out against what they were doing and calling for regulations, even sponsoring a bill to implement them. I'm sure they expect special treatment, but that doesn't mean they'll get it.

Hillary Clinton has a reputation for being cozy with Wall Street -- but in her 2016 campaign, she’s been striking populist tones.

Clinton introduced her plan for a variety of economic issues in a speech at the New School in Manhattan on July 14, 2015. As president, she said, she would go "beyond Dodd-Frank" -- the regulations on financial institutions that took hold in 2010, following the economic crisis of 2007-08.

She said she had been calling for financial regulations since the very early stages of the crisis.

"As we all know, in the years before the crash, financial firms piled risk upon risk, and regulators in Washington either couldn’t or wouldn’t keep up," she said. "I was alarmed by this gathering storm and called for addressing risks of derivatives, cracking down on subprime mortgages and improving financial oversight."...
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...Her statement is accurate, and we rate her claim True.
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Hillary Clinton says she called for Wall Street regulations early in the financial crisis
 
Mischief said:
Are you really arguing that people can pick and choose how to spell someone else's name?

Cool. beencownter it is.
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Hmm, very spiteful. I can almost see the blood coming out of your.....eyes.:p

The links that I provided were acceptable spellings of Hillary.

Go ahead and find me a few links that list the acceptable versions of beancounter.
 
Calliegirl said:
She's taken money from Wall Street in the past (campaign and speeches) and had no problem speaking out against what they were doing and calling for regulations, even sponsoring a bill to implement them. I'm sure they expect special treatment, but that doesn't mean they'll get it.
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Well remember what she said in regards to Lincoln....

In any case, it's basic quid pro quo operating in that regard, and despite the Clinton campaign rhetoric to the contrary, she is human.

Here's how it may play out:

When she becomes president, she’ll support legislation that’s tough on banks. She knows such legislation will be either rejected by congress, or they will write their own substantially watered down version. She will sign a watered down version in the name of bi partisanship and “getting things done”.

But in fact that’s exactly what she wants, as she has no interest in being tough on Wall Street (the quid pro quo relationship). So she will gladly sign a bill that has no teeth or claws in the details, but may sound tough on the surface.

So when Wall Street plays fast and loose with questionable financial instruments, and blows up the economy again, she will have plausible deniability and come out smelling like a rose - “I wanted to be tough on Wall Street, but the Republicans wouldn’t let me”.
 
beancounter said:
Hmm, very spiteful. I can almost see the blood coming out of your.....eyes.:p

The links that I provided were acceptable spellings of Hillary.

Go ahead and find me a few links that list the acceptable versions of beancounter.
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My, my. You really insisting that you get to choose the spelling of other people's names.

That's not only spiteful, it's very, very small.

But unfortunately, not surprising.

Now, if I were a moderator, I would say that both this post and the one I quoted were at best skirting the rules of this discussion board, but since you're a moderator and you're setting the tone, I guess my post is just hunky-dory.
 
beancounter said:
When she becomes president, she’ll support legislation that’s tough on banks. She knows such legislation will be either rejected by congress, or they will write their own substantially watered down version.
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And what, alternatively, is she supposed to do? According to the all knowing beencownter?
 
Spang said:
I'll be voting today. #imwithnoneofthem
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Voting in my district was uneventful this election cycle. My district has been represented by the same guy since 1988, the same family since 1965, and a Republican since 1867. Jimmy Duncan did vote against the war in Iraq back in 2002, but he's been wrong about most everything else. A state senator was running unopposed. There was one other down-ballot race and no ballot measures.

I did a write-in vote for Karl Marx.
 
KLS52 said:
Haha, pretty funny. Even if you take away #9, (I saw something that showed clips of two other unrelated times where he made similar gestures so I'm letting him have that one) and you add Hilary's Benghazi and letting a child rapist go free, he still loses by a mile.

I would, however, be interested in seeing what a pro Trump version would look like.
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That did not happen. Trump however, has been accused, for years, of raping a 13 year old girl
Donald Trump Is Accused Of Raping A 13-Year-Old. Why Haven't The Media Covered It? | Huffington Post
 
Spang said:
Voting in my district was uneventful this election cycle. My district has been represented by the same guy since 1988, the same family since 1965, and a Republican since 1867. Jimmy Duncan did vote against the war in Iraq back in 2002, but he's been wrong about most everything else. A state senator was running unopposed. There was one other down-ballot race and no ballot measures.

I did a write-in vote for Karl Marx.
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Here in Missouri, a write in vote is counted only if the person whose name is written in has filed a declaration to be a write in candidate. How is it where you live?

We had/have a bunch of constitutional amendment ballot provisions, including one to require state issued photo ID for voting.
 
Mischief said:
Here in Missouri, a write in vote is counted only if the person whose name is written in has filed a declaration to be a write in candidate. How is it where you live?
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It's similar:
A write-in presidential candidate must file a notice in each of the state's county in order to have his or her votes tallied. These notices must be filed no later than 50 days prior to the general election.
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