US Politics-2022

[Jamie in Chile]

Don´t forget this thread is an echo chamber: Republicans are predicted to do well in the mid terms. As long as Democrats almost exclusively focus on race, abortion rights, and so on, that isn´t going to change.

Not feeling good at the moment after Elon Musk announcing after a history of years of voting Democrat he will now vote Republican. Yes Musk is a jerk, but he´s a centrist who is a very public figure. This is the kind of thing that will make people thing that the winds are blowing in a certain direction.

The Democrats are still going on with the same old woke agenda as always - just had a look on Twitter.

From Biden yesterday:
"White supremacy is a poison running through our body politic. We need to say as clearly and forcefully as we can that the ideology of white supremacy has no place in America. Failure to do so will be complicity. Silence will be complicity. We cannot remain silent."

They don´t represent the American people. They represent woke intellectuals and minority groups.

Looked at other leading Democrats - not much better.

 

[silva]

Don´t forget this thread is an echo chamber: Republicans are predicted to do well in the mid terms. As long as Democrats almost exclusively focus on race, abortion rights, and so on, that isn´t going to change.

Not feeling good at the moment after Elon Musk announcing after a history of years of voting Democrat he will now vote Republican. Yes Musk is a jerk, but he´s a centrist who is a very public figure. This is the kind of thing that will make people thing that the winds are blowing in a certain direction.

The Democrats are still going on with the same old woke agenda as always - just had a look on Twitter.

From Biden yesterday:
"White supremacy is a poison running through our body politic. We need to say as clearly and forcefully as we can that the ideology of white supremacy has no place in America. Failure to do so will be complicity. Silence will be complicity. We cannot remain silent."

They don´t represent the American people. They represent woke intellectuals and minority groups.

Looked at other leading Democrats - not much better.

Yep, Musk has always been a tremendously rich and privledged jerk who employs many real geniuses and lives in the limelight he expects
How do you call someone a centrist who says the democrats have gone too far left? The republicans of even the Reagan years were more left then the neo dems of today! The whole placating of the progressives is nothing but lip service, if it were real we Bernie would have gone against rump--and probably won.

From Biden yesterday:
"White supremacy is a poison running through our body politic. We need to say as clearly and forcefully as we can that the ideology of white supremacy has no place in America. Failure to do so will be complicity. Silence will be complicity. We cannot remain silent."

I just wish he meant it, but nothing more than pandering

You are right, the dems are bound to lose. the centrists pander to the left, while bowing to the right because they don't want to be "divisive". The dems give in their needs so everyone gets something, while the repubs slash and burn to get their way

I see the American people being largely woke intellectuals and minority groups--you know,the scientists, educators, disenfranchised and used that the right wants to silence

 

[silva]

Wait till they insist the flat earth theory be taught as an alternative science in schools

 

[Lou]

Don´t forget this thread is an echo chamber: Republicans are predicted to do well in the mid terms.

Oddly, I feel strangely optimistic.

Legal consequences are closing in on Trump and other Republicans

Experts are stating that Republican gerrymandering has been largely ineffective. And other voter suppression techniques may very well backfire by energizing marginalized groups.

Republicans are proposing candidates that may be attractive to Trump's base but repugnant to a lot of voters.

The Supreme Court may provoke so many voters that they decide the only way out is to to elect as many Democratic Senators and Congressman as possible. I think this could even help Democrats running for positions in states.

 

[silva]

The proverbial cat is out of the bag now and it's not going back in. Trump and his whole clan can get jail time and still be even more the cult leaders. There is no more rule of law, it's all been replaced by what if's,and I heard, and maybe, and that other side is just evil and we're gonna find fault in anything they say--if it's not there we can make it up.
and worst--this is both sides now.
It's all a big Shrodingers box

I'm a little upset today

My coworker thinks yoga opens a door to demons, and I read about people feeling the same about yoga Barbie
Don't teach US history in schools or white kids may feel bad
Don't do a dam thing about protecting people lives but instead take away their rights to their own bodies
Companies that have to hire overpaid people to implement underpaid peoples ideas, because we're not supposed to think that much. If we don't think that much we end up just reworking the crap we know is crap so we think enough to make it right in the first place. Cause we give a dam,and have no where else to go, while the overpaid but important ones can see their way to another company when they're found to be the charlatans most are.

 

[anarchist100]

Could it be that the reason he's thinking of Iraq is that he feels bad about it?

 

[Jamie in Chile]

The brain is a pattern recognizer. In the same way that when you start typing the first letters of the word, the computer offers you the rest of the word....the brain is like that. It's a pattern recognizer. That's how we're designed. I read a book about this once. I forget which one. In Bush's brain, "invasion" simply goes with "Iraq". This is partly because he has simply had lots of conversations and thoughts along those lines and that it became a key issue for him. Probably when he said "invasion" his brain suggested "Iraq". That is all. Nothing to see here. Problem is he said "brutal and unjustified" before he said invasion. Oops. It's a chance for some people to score some cheap points but it doesn't necessarily mean he's secretly knows Iraq invasion was a bad thing. I almost fall sorry for people when this happens. Probably give 100 great speeches and no-one cares, one mistake and it's millions of views.

Not a fan of Bush, I was heavily in the Gore camp, even as a 20 year old at the time with no connections to the US and almost no political ideology, but just saying.

His brain has learned that "invasion" goes with "Iraq" more than it does "Ukraine". That is all.

 

[Jamie in Chile]

So now Musk is being accused of sexual harrassment only 2 days after coming out as a Republican. Obviously this leads to the question that this story has been leaked/encouraged/promoted by someone pro Democrat or someone at Twitter who is - I speculate - a progressive in favour of some reasonable limit on free speech. In which case, that doesn't make the story not true. When they come after you with hit pieces, the hits can often be accurate.

Musk is clearly an entitled jerk with limited self control - anyone who follows him on Twitter as I do can see this - it wouldn't be a surprise if the story was true.

As the article says "This is the only known allegation and settlement for sexual misconduct tied personally to Musk." Musk has commented ""If I were inclined to engage in sexual harassment, this is unlikely to be the first time in my entire 30-year career that it comes to light,". That's a poor response on two counts. Firstly, he hasn't paid attention to the metoo movement if he thinks women casually come forward. There were stories of people that abused 10 or more women and none of them came forward. Secondly, can't it be true that he just did something like this occassionally, or just the once? Maybe he was dumb enough to do it once or twice, but smart enough to stop doing it once he had to (allegedly/hypothetically) pay off the first woman?

A SpaceX flight attendant said Elon Musk exposed himself and propositioned her for sex, documents show. The company paid $250,000 for her silence.

SpaceX paid a flight attendant $250,000 in severance after she accused Elon Musk of exposing himself and offering to buy her a horse in exchange for a sexual massage.

www.businessinsider.com

There is another possible explanation that I find persuasive here. Musk may have known that stories against him were coming when he tweeted on May 18th:
"In the past I voted Democrat, because they were (mostly) the kindness party. But they have become the party of division & hate, so I can no longer support them and will vote Republican. Now, watch their dirty tricks campaign against me unfold"

Maybe that's why he tweeted when he did. As a way of getting ahead of this or other stories and then be able to say after the fact "Look everyone, these accusations came out as soon as I became pro Republican, coincidence....?"

Business Insider says it contacted Musk for comment, but it doesn't say when. Would be interesting to know if it was before or after the above tweet....

Not that I'm saying Musk's move away from the Democrats it's fake, it's extremely likely real, as it absolutely fits in various ways I could explain later if you like, but my point is the timing of that tweet and the way he added "now watch their dirty tricks campaign against me unfold"...

 

[Jamie in Chile]

I wouldn´t be surprised if Musk runs for President one day. 2024 may come too soon. It would have to be on the Republican side, since the Democrats would never accept him. Not sure if the Republicans would accept him either, though. Honestly don´t know about that.

If it wasn´t for the two party system, he could run as an independent since he is probably a centrist and probably has some left-wing and some right-wing views.

I'd support him running as a Republican candidate since he can't be any worse than Trump or Ted Cruz or let's be honest almost any Republican. At least the Republicans would have a chance of changing some of their wrong views on climate change as a result.

 

[Lou]

His brain has learned that "invasion" goes with "Iraq" more than it does "Ukraine". That is all.

He is just old and made a senior- like mistake.
I wouldn't make much of it.

However, His invasion of Iraq was unjustified and thousands of Iraqi died for absolutely no reason. Maybe he didn't know any better but his cronies lied to us and the world.

Some people ask who was the worst president. I think it was George W. Bush. Trump was pretty bad but he didn't Start Two Wars. Trump might not even be the second worst president. Andrew Johnson may have been even worse.

 

[Lou]

Musk is clearly an entitled jerk with limited self control

'nuff said.

 

[Lou]

I'd support him running as a Republican candidate since he can't be any worse than Trump or Ted Cruz or let's be honest almost any Republican. At least the Republicans would have a chance of changing some of their wrong views on climate change as a result.

The Republican Presidential candidate I am in favor of is the one most likely to lose. That could be Cruz.

There are worse candidates but I doubt the GOP would support them. but then again in a Post Trump world you can't count on it. -

 

[anarchist100]

All these people who hate Elon Musk are just jealous that he has more money than them, he worked hard for that money, if you want to be rich like him then you can, but you'll have to work for it, don't hate on him just because you're lazy and he's not.

 

[anarchist100]

Imagine working your *** off for your whole life to get rich, and then you have your money stolen because lazy people are immature and spiteful, tax the rich is the motto of lazy childish losers, not only is it immoral it's also a bad idea practically, big businesses are good for the economy, they provide jobs for millions of people, why would you want to make it harder for them to operate? Grow up already.

 

[anarchist100]

Also Elon Musk is hardly a conservative, he's a libertarian anarchist, he would never get the approval of the authoritarian republican party.

 

[silva]

All these people who hate Elon Musk are just jealous that he has more money than them, he worked hard for that money, if you want to be rich like him then you can, but you'll have to work for it, don't hate on him just because you're lazy and he's not.

Elon Musk Twitter takeover: How did he make his money and what’s his net worth?

The Tesla CEO has denied claims that his father owned an emerald mine

www.standard.co.uk

....that seed money didn't come out of nothing.

 

[Jamie in Chile]

To me, it´s actually still an open question whether the war in Iraq was a good or a bad thing. A dictator was removed, and people were freed from a terrible regime and abuse, however the country then went through years of strife and internal conflict and lack of stability, and some Iraqis thought it was worse than with Saddam. But Saddam´s son would go around the country raping whoever he choose, it was a pretty awful country. Tony Blair points to evidence and data showing children´s lives were improved and saved. Also, Iraq seems to be less of a threat to its neighbours now. Then again, the war perhaps led to more terrorism in the west. And the Americans committed some awful abuse. And a less stable Iraq may have helped lead to the rise of Islamic State which controlled parts of Iraq for a while.

It seems to me that there are lots of arguments on both sides and yet a lot of people just take the idea that the Iraq war as a bad thing as an article of faith without really seriously considering most of the above.

 

[beancounter]

All these people who hate Elon Musk are just jealous that he has more money than them, he worked hard for that money, if you want to be rich like him then you can, but you'll have to work for it, don't hate on him just because you're lazy and he's not.

Strawman...

 

[anarchist100]

Strawman...

Then why do you want to steal his hard earned money?

 

[Mischief]

Don´t forget this thread is an echo chamber: Republicans are predicted to do well in the mid terms. As long as Democrats almost exclusively focus on race, abortion rights, and so on, that isn´t going to change.

Not feeling good at the moment after Elon Musk announcing after a history of years of voting Democrat he will now vote Republican. Yes Musk is a jerk, but he´s a centrist who is a very public figure. This is the kind of thing that will make people thing that the winds are blowing in a certain direction.

The Democrats are still going on with the same old woke agenda as always - just had a look on Twitter.

From Biden yesterday:
"White supremacy is a poison running through our body politic. We need to say as clearly and forcefully as we can that the ideology of white supremacy has no place in America. Failure to do so will be complicity. Silence will be complicity. We cannot remain silent."

They don´t represent the American people. They represent woke intellectuals and minority groups.

Looked at other leading Democrats - not much better.

Not wanting to denigrate people based on their gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation , etc. = being woke.

I think being woke is a good thing. I'm sorry you don't.