US The 2020 Campaign for US President

[silva]

Yes, down with free speech, good point.

Really? Like my personal opinion prevents anyone right to free speech?
Sorry, it's just that bringing up anyone elses gaffes in relation to this election strikes me as valid as yelling at someone for walking in your house with dirty shoes when someone else just tracked dog **** throughout

 

[silva]

I don't understand as obviously I don't live there. Is that really what is driving people to support DT or the Republican party? Where did all these voters come from? It's very strange to me as all (I think?) the political parties over here are pro-choice on abortion.

I would think that being pro-life is a very fringe viewpoint in most civilised countries.

Womens reproductive rights have been little more than a talking point to win votes until this administration. These last 4 years have seen many changes preventing womens choice, largely in areas that realistically deny a womens right to choice

 

[Raven]

Really? Like my personal opinion prevents anyone right to free speech?
Sorry, it's just that bringing up anyone elses gaffes in relation to this election strikes me as valid as yelling at someone for walking in your house with dirty shoes when someone else just tracked dog **** throughout

It's the point that you said you can't even tolerate hearing a different opinion. Joe Biden isn't a good candidate to me. It's a shame the Democrats couldn't come up with someone better as they have had enough time.

I'm entitled to my opinion. I wasn't even going to post about US politics on here as the "debate" gets so absurd so quickly. It is so polarising.

 

[silva]

It's the point that you said you can't even tolerate hearing a different opinion. Joe Biden isn't a good candidate to me. It's a shame the Democrats couldn't come up with someone better as they have had enough time.

I'm entitled to my opinion. I wasn't even going to post about US politics on here as the "debate" gets so absurd so quickly. It is so polarising.

I can't! I will simply find an excuse to excuse myself--just like I can't tolerate being around the smell of cooking meat, or people talking about going hunting.....
Biden isn't a good choice of candidate to me neither. My own feelings are the democrats in power are just as afraid of any progressive getting elected than rump getting a second term.
Sure you have your opinion, I have mine.
But I still feel very much like saying Biden is a liar when rump is around is like complaining about someone wearing dirty shoes when your house is covered in ****

My coworker will bring things up that make my skin crawl. She's so very nice, and we get along great, but she's really conservative, religious, and doesn't like to listen to any politics-but she'll bring things up and I have a hard time. I do know it's me. I can be quite intolerant about things I feel cause others harm, and thats really what this election is all about. Rump is not my president. Even W Bush with all his horrors, at least didn't cultivate a cult following. That's what I'm intolerant of- just how much Americans are turning against each other, and we'll still have that to work out after Nov either way

 

[Raven]

I can't! I will simply find an excuse to excuse myself--just like I can't tolerate being around the smell of cooking meat, or people talking about going hunting.....
Biden isn't a good choice of candidate to me neither. My own feelings are the democrats in power are just as afraid of any progressive getting elected than rump getting a second term.
Sure you have your opinion, I have mine.
But I still feel very much like saying Biden is a liar when rump is around is like complaining about someone wearing dirty shoes when your house is covered in

So we agree. We don't think Biden was a good choice.

I didn't say he was a liar either?!

 

[silva]

So we agree. We don't think Biden was a good choice.

I didn't say he was a liar either?!

Sorry. My coworker was complaining about Biden, and it started with her calling him a liar, but she didn't like how 'rude' rump is.... I kinda just sat there and thought about other things until I managed to just say I didn't like talking politics, and that I felt rump was far more than rude....
I do feel the democrats did everything they could to make sure Bernie wouldn't get the nomination. From limiting polling places, to all the media attention on Biden. That whole primary sucked seeing how covid was at it's first peak. People were so unprepared!

 

[silva]

I'm kinda listening to Obama now . Did he disappoint? yes. I miss him so much
Politics suck

 

[Lou]

...or we'll have a civil war because he's convinced his supporters--the Q-anon cult, the boogaloo boys, the proud boys, all the crazy militias, that the election is only fair if he wins, and rigged if he doesn't. I'm actually pretty anxious about this election.
It's never really been rump that's so bad for our country, it's the people he's brought together. It is a cult
I never thought I'd hear a completely privileged white suburban person say they needed someone to "bring them out of the shadows", or, "care about people like me", and call themselves disenfranchised

rump and his supporters are by and large the least pro-life people I've come across!

Even if we get rid of Trump. We still have his supporters. What are we going to do about them?

 

[Lou]

I don't understand as obviously I don't live there. Is that really what is driving people to support DT or the Republican party? Where did all these voters come from? It's very strange to me as all (I think?) the political parties over here are pro-choice on abortion.

I would think that being pro-life is a very fringe viewpoint in most civilised countries.

The Pro-life movement got politicized in the US many years ago. Nowadays it's very decisive - and super political. You can't be a good Democrat unless you are pro-choice. And the Republicans have to be Pro-Life.

Before Regan was president it wasn't nearly as decisive or political.

I kind of respect the Pro-Lifers who make that their most important issue/cause. I don't agree with them but I respect them.

IMHO, the thing that most Trump supporters have in common is that they are racist. And they see Trump as giving them permission to be racist.

"Build The Wall" is code for "I am racist"

 

[Chryssie]

My brother who is a Trump supporter is not racist but he is a very very devout evangelical "Christian." The abortion issue is the top thing with him and many like him. Even my sister stands by Trump because of him pretending to be anti-abortion. For the far right "Christian", abortion is THE ISSUE! I put Christian in quotes because I don't think many of their beliefs are Christ-like AT ALL. Another issue that is super important with the evangelicals is "the gays." Even though Jesus never said a word about homosexuality, they are rabidly against gays calling them "abominations" and other horrible things. Trump pretends to be "Christian." I really can't wrap my head around how my siblings think he is a good person. I don't talk politics with them at all. My "baby" brother who is a life long Republican has deserted his party and is a Biden supporter.

 

[Amy SF]

Eh, compared to Trump, Biden seems like a saint. If the worst thing Biden ever does is make verbal gaffes, I’m okay with that.

 

[KLS52]

I don’t think the majority of Dems think Biden is a good choice. I know I didn’t think Hilary was either. I feel like we are forever having to choose between the lesser of two evils, for lack of a better phrase. I certainly don’t consider Biden as evil. He’s just not a strong choice but he’s our only choice because we need DT gone.

 

[Amy SF]

Oh, and even if Trump ekes out a win, which I’m not confident about, the Democrats will keep a majority in the House of Representatives, and it’s looking very likely that they’ll regain a majority in the Senate. They only need to flip four seats from Republican to Democrat to get that majority, and the polls are there. So Trump would find himself with an almost completely hostile Congress unwilling to rubber stamp everything he wants, as the current Senate is doing.

 

[Lou]

My brother who is a Trump supporter is not racist but he is a very very devout evangelical "Christian." The abortion issue is the top thing with him and many like him. Even my sister stands by Trump because of him pretending to be anti-abortion. For the far right "Christian", abortion is THE ISSUE! I put Christian in quotes because I don't think many of their beliefs are Christ-like AT ALL. Another issue that is super important with the evangelicals is "the gays." Even though Jesus never said a word about homosexuality, they are rabidly against gays calling them "abominations" and other horrible things. Trump pretends to be "Christian." I really can't wrap my head around how my siblings think he is a good person. I don't talk politics with them at all. My "baby" brother who is a life long Republican has deserted his party and is a Biden supporter.

Yeah, I get it that for some Christians it's all about abortion.
But if you Will vote for and support a President who wants to build a wall to keep Mexican criminals and rapists out of the country, puts South American children in cages, Bans Muslims, wants to preserve the names of dead Confederate generals for military bases, and promotes violence against protesters - then in my book you are a racist too.

Their best defense is that they are willing to tolerate Trump because the murder of fetuses outweighs all the bad things he does combined. But they are on a slippery slope there. When does tolerance become appeasement or enabling?

But maybe you are right, maybe Racist is too strong a word. What do we call the Germans who stood by and watched the Nazis carry out the holocaust? Were they just bystanders? Or collaborators? (Oh oh. I suppose evangelicals think I'm a collaborator of the baby holocaust)

Isn't there a type of Evangelical who are looking forward to the Endtimes? Perhaps he is one of them and sees Trump as a short cut.

 

[Chryssie]

Oh yeah the Endtimes thing! My brother shares crap on FB about that too! They are also afraid of the dreaded Socialist agenda! Biden is no socialist!

This is an example of the propaganda by the evangelicals. Dobson is a notorious "Christian."

 

[Bob Who]

Isn't socialism actually closer to the message that Christ brought than capitalism or nationalism? When someone is against legal abortion ( a woman's choice if you prefer) yet they will gleefully advocate for the death penalty--often for ridiculous offenses, or threaten those with opposing views, or deny assistance to those in need, and in general cause untold misery among their fellow humans are they really following the teachings of Christ?

 

[Lou]

Oh yeah the Endtimes thing! My brother shares crap on FB about that too! They are also afraid of the dreaded Socialist agenda! Biden is no socialist!

View attachment 22741This is an example of the propaganda by the evangelicals. Dobson is a notorious "Christian."

"... no resemblance to the one that our founders bled to defend."

Um, that would be a good thing. Our "founders" were for slavery and against women's rights.

 

[Urban Gardener]

Isn't socialism actually closer to the message that Christ brought than capitalism or nationalism? When someone is against legal abortion ( a woman's choice if you prefer) yet they will gleefully advocate for the death penalty--often for ridiculous offenses, or threaten those with opposing views, or deny assistance to those in need, and in general cause untold misery among their fellow humans are they really following the teachings of Christ?

Christ was an anarchist (my interpretation of the text). The issue is that when you worship an egalitarian iconoclast . . . there are some deep pits of hypocrisy that one must avoid falling into. That guy's in one of those pits. He doesn't get it.

 

[Lou]

" A week from the election, months from finding out who wins, and probably a year away from losing a loved one to the inevitable civil war. "

- Jordan Klepper.
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH329MmRikQ

 

[Second Summer]

I came across this website which adds up the electoral collage votes for you if you guess who wins each state/district:

270toWin - 2024 Presidential Election Interactive Map

Create your own forecast for the 2024 presidential election

270towin.com

It's fun to play with the numbers and see how it pans out.

Anyway, according to William Saletan, writing for Slate, Biden is doing better than Clinton was in 2016 at this point in the race:

Don’t Panic

My personal prediction is that Biden will win, although perhaps not by a lot.

The other night I was watching a show with Alistair Campbell, who was Tony Blair's spin doctor back in the day, interviewing Anthony Scaramuchi. (Weird, I know ...!) Anyway, Campbell asked if Scaramuchi thought Biden, assuming he wins, should offer Trump a deal not to prosecute him and his family for their presumably many crimes just to get a peaceful transition. And Scaramuchi said yes, he thought it was more important to try to heal the country than to go after Trump which would mean a lot of noise, "show", maybe riots, and an unnecessary distraction.