Brian W
Conscientious Christian
What do you guys think about the Puerto Rican issue? Do you think it will make much of a difference?
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Lou
Forum Legend
it doesn't have to "make much of a difference". According to everyone the race is so tight that a swing state might be won by a fraction of a percent.
after that comment about Puerto Rico, a Puerto Rican music superstar, Bad Bunny, endorsed Harris.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, in 2020, the Puerto Rican population was the largest detailed Hispanic group in Pennsylvania. The Pew Research Center says Pennsylvania has the fourth-highest Puerto Rican population in the United States which makes up about 8% of the state’s population.
Nope, because many of his followers likely think the same way. Half of them probably don't know that Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory.
Lou
Forum Legend
yes, I agree this is not an issue among Trumpers.
However if there are Puerto Rican Trumpers they may leave and either not vote or vote for Harris.
Also if there are Puerto Rican Undecided or ones who were not planning on voting - this could change their minds. This doesn't have to be a large number. In PA, it's a dead heat. The election could be decided by just a few hundred voters.
OP
OP
So, given that the presidential election is likely going to be very tight, which of the required swing states do you think Harris is most likely to win (so that she wins the election)?
- To me it looks like the only likely combination is Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which gives Harris exactly 270 electoral votes, the minimum required to win.
- One alternative could be Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada and Georgia, which gives her 273 electoral votes.
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Lou
Forum Legend
I remember months ago reading an article that broke all the possible paths to victory. I don't remember too much of the nuts and bolts. but the major take-a-way I remember is that Harris will have to win 3 or 4 of the swing states. So pretty much what you said.
Lictman's system is not foolproof - he has gotten one wrong in the last 40 years. but he says he has continually improved it so maybe now it is failsafe.
At is wasn't the Dems who choose Harris. It was Biden. And that decision was made 5 years ago. That was a campaign promise and it very well have helped him win the election the first time. Her being a female of color does give her an "electability" issue but on the other hand it does help her get some votes too.
Lictman's system is not foolproof - he has gotten one wrong in the last 40 years. but he says he has continually improved it so maybe now it is failsafe.
At is wasn't the Dems who choose Harris. It was Biden. And that decision was made 5 years ago. That was a campaign promise and it very well have helped him win the election the first time. Her being a female of color does give her an "electability" issue but on the other hand it does help her get some votes too.
OP
OP
The Dems would have been able to choose someone else if Biden had withdrawn before the convention. But they dithered and squandered that opportunity, so when push finally came to shove, their only realistic option was the VP. Harris has had some of the worst VP favourability ratings in recent history, although I think she's doing better now as a presidential candidate.
FredVegrox
Forum Legend
I believe democracy is really an illusion. It isn't real, and it can't be, there never was a situation of the people all ruling. Argument we hear in favor of it is all from propaganda. This is not to say there should be government with force over us. I believe I do not need that rule, I think you do not need that rule. If people did need rule over them, who is being put in office for that? If this were true just people needing rule over them are ever put in office for rule over others. And those in office have other motivation than concern for you and the public. There are many problems with this but those things are kept from attention. I don't believe voting changes anything from that for the better. We could do well enough someplace without government in place over us.
OP
OP
Looks like you're talking about direct democracy. No, that hasn't been very popular, for a multitude of reasons. When we say "democracy", most often we mean representative democracy where we elect representatives to act on our behalf.
Most people would disagree with you. Up to a point, I think direct democracy could work, but as the society grows larger, this form of government becomes increasingly difficult. Governments of some kind have historically emerged as a necessity for protection against those amongst us of violent and criminal persuasions.
Anyway, this is all off-topic for the thread, sorry.
Lou
Forum Legend
Democracy is a concept. And although not concrete they are real. And they are vital. they help us understand the world we live in.
If we don't have government we have anarchy. Although you can probably have small communities that can function once you get big enough to need a hospital, a police force and a fire department you have to have some kind of government.
To paraphrase Winston Churchill, Democracy is that democracy is the worst form of government except for all others.
OP
OP
I hear the early voting numbers are relatively high, which should be a good sign for Harris.
Mrs Summer sent her ballot the other day, with tracking. It arrived eventually.
Mrs Summer sent her ballot the other day, with tracking. It arrived eventually.
I am among the early voters because I wasn't sure I'd be home on Election Day. It was super easy and convenient.
OP
OP
More about the early voting numbers: Women are out-voting men by significant margins in the swing states. That's the most encouraging thing I've heard at this stage in the election process.
Chryssie
Internet Junkie
My younger brother, Jon, called me yesterday and we had our political rants. He is like me even though he has always been a Republican. We agree on pretty much everything unlike our other super conservative siblings. We are trying to get Haley to vote. I talked to her about it and he said he has too. Young people have to step up! I hope she can get a ride to the polls! Colin says he is voting and "not for the orange guy." Direct quote LOL
Skye posted a picture of standing in line at the early voting. I am glad she is voting but I know her vote is for Trump.
Sean is not allowed to vote because he is a felon and didn't complete all his requirements to be able to vote. He would probably follow Skye though anyway. Jon said he is feeling very hopeful but I am still really scared.
Skye posted a picture of standing in line at the early voting. I am glad she is voting but I know her vote is for Trump.
Sean is not allowed to vote because he is a felon and didn't complete all his requirements to be able to vote. He would probably follow Skye though anyway. Jon said he is feeling very hopeful but I am still really scared.
Belle
I hope this affects out Ohio senate district. The incumbent, Sherrod Brown, has been running a terrible campaign, catering so much to right wing votes, he ain't gonna get. His trump approved opponents ads are the best reason to vote blue
Brian W
Conscientious Christian
but Trump can and also run for president? 
Chryssie
Internet Junkie
Yeah how about that? Some hypocritical nonsense!
