News 2016 U.S. Presidential election - the highs and lows

And then I come to VV for confirmation. It keeps getting better and better. :p
 
My thoughts this morning were about that quote attributed to the late Albert Einstein ...

“Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not yet completely sure about the universe.”
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(Actually, as far as I know, today this statement is not quite correct. Einstein has proved that the universe is limited.)
 
How can I put this? I'm glad Clinton lost, but I'm unhappy Trump won. It was a lose/lose situation. I don't hate Hillary, but I think she's mentally ill, perhaps even criminally insane.

My fear is, the Democratic Party- assuming it survives another 4-years- will try again to lie and steal its way into office. Many believe Hillary won the nomination fair and square. I don't. There is a justice in her loss, and justice is more important than any one, political issue, or group of issues. Americans may be stupid, but they're not that stupid.

Domestically, we're in for 4-years of unadulterated hell, but with luck, Trump won't be as quick to bomb civilians overseas as Clinton would have been. There may be some lives saved from this outcome.

I voted for Jill.

I'd like to see Tulsi Gabbard's star rise in the near future, unless of course, Bernie wants to run again.
 
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I'm really so shocked. I still can't believe he was being serious, I was still laughing at some of the stuff he was saying until yesterday as I thought he was joking. I'm hoping that all the **** he came out with was just rhetoric and he will be more sensible now. He doesn't even sound like a proper Republican so maybe he will surprise us all and be a good president. At least it wasn't a Ted Cruz win, I'm trying (and probably failing) to look on the bright side!:oops:
 
As the saying goes, people get the leaders they deserve. Unfortunately, the rest of us are along for the ride.

Now we'll see just exactly how much damage can be done.

For myself, I'm holding every single person who helped get him elected responsible. That includes everyone who voted or him, everyone who didn't vote, and everyone who threw their votes away. That includes every one of the third party voters.
 
Moll Flanders said:
I'm really so shocked. I still can't believe he was being serious, I was still laughing at some of the stuff he was saying until yesterday as I thought he was joking. I'm hoping that all the **** he came out with was just rhetoric and he will be more sensible now. He doesn't even sound like a proper Republican so maybe he will surprise us all and be a good president. At least it wasn't a Ted Cruz win, I'm trying (and probably failing) to look on the bright side!:oops:
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Whose worse - the person who hates groups A, B and C, or someone who "merely" uses the rhetoric of hate in a calculated way to gain power? I think that the latter is every bit as destructive as the former.
 
Mischief said:
That includes every one of the third party voters.
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Well, if you take all the votes for Jill Stein and add them to the votes for Clinton, she still would not have won.
And I do not think that the people voting for Johnson would have voted for Clinton.

Also, many of those third party votes were in states where it was clear in the beginning who would win them.
 
Theresa May and Boris Johnson have said they look forward to working with Trump. When Trump made the comment about a ban on Muslims Boris said that that he thought he was unfit to lead. Bit of a change in opinion, that's politics for you.
Boris Johnson carries out screeching U-turn on Donald Trump | The Independent

Mischief said:
Whose worse - the person who hates groups A, B and C, or someone who "merely" uses the rhetoric of hate in a calculated way to gain power? I think that the latter is every bit as destructive as the former.
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It didn't occur to me that he really wanted power, I thought he was just trying to exploit the racist morons so he had an audience for his TV career. I didn't think there were enough people with those type of views that would actually vote for him. Maybe I underestimated just how much people dislike Hillary Clinton. It's hard for people over here in the UK to grasp how much some people hate her/ hate what she stands for.:confused:
 
Andy_T said:
Well, if you take all the votes for Jill Stein and add them to the votes for Clinton, she still would not have won.
And I do not think that the people voting for Johnson would have voted for Clinton.

Also, many of those third party votes were in states where it was clear in the beginning who would win them.
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I'm not talking about the votes themselves as much as the negative miasma those voters spread out about Clinton, on the internet, the news, and in person, all of which helped Trump to victory.
 
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Moll Flanders said:
It didn't occur to me that he really wanted power, I thought he was just trying to exploit the racist morons so he had an audience for his TV career. I didn't think there were enough people with those type of views that would actually vote for him. Maybe I underestimated just how much people dislike Hillary Clinton. It's hard for people over here in the UK to grasp how much some people hate her/ hate what she stands for.:confused:
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Of course he wants power. I've never understood how people couldn't recognize that.

Racism, xenophobia and misogyny are huge over here.
 
Mischief said:
I'm not talking about the votes themselves as much as the negative miasma those voters spread out about Clinton, on the internet, the news, and in person, all of which helped Trump to victory.
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Don't forget the Bernie Sanders supporters. I mean, they must be at the root of all this :D
 
Mischief said:
Racism, xenophobia and misogyny are huge over here.
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Well, obviously I don't live in the US, but the American people I have met in work and social situations have all been intelligent and mostly liberal. I wouldn't have thought there were that many people with those attitudes who would vote for a man who would say things like that about Muslims, Mexicans, women etc... Sorry for having a generally positive impression of the people in your country, lol.:D
 
Andy_T said:
Don't forget the Bernie Sanders supporters. I mean, they must be at the root of all this :D
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The Bernie supporters who fought the good fight and then rallied around the Democratic nominee are fine people. They pushed the Democratic Party in the direction it needs to go.

However, a sizable percentage of the left in the U.S. are whiny crybabies who have to have it 100% their way, or they won't play. It's why the left has accomplished so little.
 
Moll Flanders said:
Well, obviously I don't live in the U S, but the American people I have met in work and social situations have all been intelligent and mostly liberal. I wouldn't have thought there were that many people with those attitudes who would vote for a man who would say things like that about Muslims, Mexicans, women etc... Sorry for having a generally positive impression of the people in your country, lol.:D
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Yeah, you've been exposed to a select few. Mark Twain said:
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.
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So, yeah, you've been exposed to a narrow, self-selected, segment of the U.S. population.

Except for the years I spent at uni, I've lived my life here in conservative areas, so my view of my fellow countrymen is not very positive.
 
Mischief said:
Of course he wants power. I've never understood how people couldn't recognize that.

Racism, xenophobia and misogyny are huge over here.
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This is what saddens me most. I feel like this country took a massive step backward.
 
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