News 2016 U.S. Presidential election - the highs and lows

Mischief said:
Yeah, you've been exposed to a select few. Mark Twain said:
So, yeah, you've been exposed to a narrow, self-selected, segment of the U.S. population.
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I have even experienced something that seems to go a step further ... I have known Americans when they were traveling Europe (in a country were we both were foreigners), and found them smart, agreeable and humble.

However, when visiting those same Americans after their return to the US, in the US, they certainly did stike me as much less humble ... maybe an isolated experience, but to me it seemed relevant at the time.

And, of course, I think that I have likely met mostly those very unusual Americans that would think about going abroad in the first place... and not the typical Trump voters.
 
I think that this will be seen as a watershed moment in human history, whether the Trump administration and everything it stands for lasts four years or a lot longer.

It is certainly a watershed moment in American history.
 
Yes, I am also afraid we (global "we", not American "we") will be standing in 20 years, look back on 11-9 and remember that this was the day when it all started .... I hope I am wrong with that one.
 
Moll Flanders said:
Well, obviously I don't live in the US, but the American people I have met in work and social situations have all been intelligent and mostly liberal. I wouldn't have thought there were that many people with those attitudes who would vote for a man who would say things like that about Muslims, Mexicans, women etc... Sorry for having a generally positive impression of the people in your country, lol.:D
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If you ever get to the US, take a drive through the South and the Midwest. It'll be eye opening and frightening. We are a very hate filled, racists, misogynist country.
 
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I see people on Facebook are trying to have a positive outlook and think things will get better in 4 years. I just can't see that. All I see is a country that will be beyond repair.

For starters, they want to make same sex marriage and abortion illegal again, get rid of our healthcare and social security, remove the clean air regulations on the coal industry, drop minimum wage to $5.00 an hour, and they can now do all of those things. Come January they will have control of the White House, the Senate, the House of Representatives, and the Supreme Court. They can pass and repeal anything they want and there's nothing we can do about it. They are going to damage things beyond repair, and cause an immense amount of destruction to the lives of so many people.
 
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Spang said:
If somehow the "tangerine-tinted trashcan fire" wins, radical leftists will take to the streets. It will be four years of rebellion. The corporate media will call it chaos.
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It's already starting.
Hundreds of activists plan to “stand in serious disapproval to a Trump Presidency” Wednesday night at the Trump International Hotel & Tower, located at 401 N. Wabash Ave. in Chicago.
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Minutes after Trump was declared the winner, hundreds of protesters flocked to the streets of the Bay Area in California, blocking freeways, lighting fires and chanting, "Not our president" and "F--- Trump."
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Hundreds of students protested on other California university campuses following Trump's victory. Police said at least 500 people swarmed on streets in and around UCLA early Wednesday morning.
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White and wealthy voters gave victory to Donald Trump, exit polls show | US news | The Guardian

White men opted 63% for Trump and 31% for Clinton; white women voted 53% for Trump and 43% for Clinton.
Among non-college-educated whites, 67% voted for Trump – 72% of men and 62% of women.

I'm tired and may be repeating myself, but a political presenter was saying this morning that they suspected that (poorer) white women, especially in rural areas, supported Trump more than the polls thought. They thought that these women have felt left behind by feminism and the economy. ETA - the person was saying that they feel like their choices like homeschooling their kids and staying at home as mothers wasn't respected and that Hillary Clinton wasn't offering them anything new.

Calliegirl said:
If you ever get to the US, take a drive through the South and the Midwest. It'll be eye opening and frightening. We are a very hate filled, racists, misogynist country.
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No thanks!;)
 
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Mischief said:
For myself, I'm holding every single person who helped get him elected responsible. That includes everyone who voted or him, everyone who didn't vote, and everyone who threw their votes away. That includes every one of the third party voters.
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It's not the fault of the people who voted third party, or not at all, that Hillary Clinton failed to earn their vote.
 
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Moll Flanders said:
White and wealthy voters gave victory to Donald Trump, exit polls show | US news | The Guardian

White men opted 63% for Trump and 31% for Clinton; white women voted 53% for Trump and 43% for Clinton.
Among non-college-educated whites, 67% voted for Trump – 72% of men and 62% of women.

I'm tired and may be repeating myself, but a political presenter was saying this morning that they suspected that (poorer) white women, especially in rural areas, supported Trump more than the polls thought. They thought that these women have felt left behind by feminism and the economy. ETA - the person was saying that they feel like their choices like homeschooling their kids and staying at home as mothers wasn't respected and that Hillary Clinton wasn't offering them anything new.
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True. It's also because they and their husbands are out of work or working **** jobs for very little, and they blame immigrants for it. It's Brexit all over again.
 
Calliegirl said:
I see people on Facebook are trying to have a positive outlook and think things will get better in 4 years. I just can't see that. All I see is a country that will be beyond repair.

For starters, they want to make same sex marriage and abortion illegal again, get rid of our healthcare and social security, remove the clean air regulations on the coal industry, drop minimum wage to $5.00 an hour, and they can now do all of those things. Come January they will have control of the White House, the Senate, the House of Representatives, and the Supreme Court. They can pass and repeal anything they want and there's nothing we can do about it. They are going to damage things beyond repair, and cause an immense amount of destruction to the lives of so many people.
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These are some things that worry me. Drop the minimum wage so the corporation can make more money. Where I work, we had staffing dropped after a new company took over. And changed to an insurance that is costing the employees more money, especially when they use it.

I'm really worried about Obama Care and Clinton wanted to move toward a single payer system which is what I had hope for.
 
Amy SF said:
True. It's also because they and their husbands are out of work or working **** jobs for very little, and they blame immigrants for it. It's Brexit all over again.
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I've certainly worked low wage jobs that many would look down on. No matter what I did, I always wanted to do a job to my best ability. I do think there are people who are angry at the jobs they do and want to blame others.

So many jobs left the U.S..
 
Spang said:
It's not the fault of the people who voted third party, or not at all, that Hillary Clinton failed to earn their vote.
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Keep telling yourselves that it just wasn't worthwhile to vote against Trump. It should make you all feel nice and cozy during the Trump presidency and what follows.
 
I have only now read Michael Moores article on why he thought Trump would win - which was at the time of its writing discounted and ridiculed - and it is a well written, thoughtful, and - of course, in hindsight - logical article.

5 Reasons Why Trump Will Win
 
Moll Flanders said:
Maybe I underestimated just how much people dislike Hillary Clinton. It's hard for people over here in the UK to grasp how much some people hate her/ hate what she stands for.:confused:
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There is an enormous mistrust of Hillary Clinton in this country. Many see her as the leader of a crime syndicate. Factor in especially that she's been promising to place the United States on a direct war-footing with Russia- conceivably nuclear war- and it's not surprising people turned away from her. I think many who voted for Trump don't necessarily share his cultural prejudices, but merely saw him as the lesser of the two evils. Trump may talk nasty, but he's yet to have been put to the test; meanwhile, Clinton has a proven record of dangerous activity. It may be, her foreign policy posture was the deciding factor in her loss.
 
Mischief said:
OMG! Hundreds of people! That'll sure make a huuuuuge impact!
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It's only day one, man.

I'm optimistic, maybe a little too optimistic, that a Trump presidency will motivate people to organize; to resist and rebel; to do more than just vote for the lesser, neoliberalism-as-usual, evil every four years.
 
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