US The so-called "boy crisis" isn't real

[mlp]

No, only one.

Only one personal insult against a female member of the board? I think your memory is short.

 

[ledboots]

I think most of the female members have simply given up on rehashing the same arguments with the same several males. It gets tedious in the extreme, and even I, with my rather stupid tendency to keep bashing my head against the same old walls, stepped away from this thread for a while.

It's a dilemna, because when one gets fed up with wasting one's time, one is at the same time basically giving these guys what they want - to shut up females who don't fall into line.

Yes, this. I also don't want to give any further fodder to people mocking vv participants on another forum.

 

[Envy]

Only one personal insult against a female member of the board? I think your memory is short.

Well, only one on the basis of being a crude person, with nothing mutual going on.

I can't recall anything else right now, but that might be caused by intense hunger.

 

[Pickle Juice]

I think most of the female members have simply given up on rehashing the same arguments with the same several males. It gets tedious in the extreme, and even I, with my rather stupid tendency to keep bashing my head against the same old walls, stepped away from this thread for a while.

It's a dilemna, because when one gets fed up with wasting one's time, one is at the same time basically giving these guys what they want - to shut up females who don't fall into line.

Yeah, I'm pretty much withdrawing from participation in general at this point.

... Sometimes it's not because you're a X, sometimes it's just because you're a buffoon.

So, who's degrading to name-calling then?

 

[Envy]

So, who's degrading to name-calling then?

It was the mildest I could come up with.

But you're right, I could have said "crude and inflammatory person".

 

[mlp]

Well, only one on the basis of being a crude person, with nothing mutual going on.

I can't recall anything else right now, but that might be caused by intense hunger.

I seem to recall that a female VV member asked you to stop responding to her posts because of a gratuitous insult you levelled - it wasn't even in the context of a debate, just an insult out of the blue.

 

[Pickle Juice]

It was the mildest I could come up with.

But you're right, I could have said "crude and inflammatory person".

That's not exactly an improvement. Still, it's a good textbook example proving that females in positions of authority are generally held to a more demanding standard of behavior than males are. I can just imagine the uproar if I were the one going around calling people crude and inflammatory buffoons in my capacity as a steward.

 

[mlp]

It was the mildest I could come up with.

But you're right, I could have said "crude and inflammatory person".

Whoa.

I take back what I said earlier. You've now increased the list of the VV members for whom I have no respect or use to three.

 

[Envy]

I seem to recall that a female VV member asked you to stop responding to her posts because of a gratuitous insult you levelled - it wasn't even in the context of a debate, just an insult out of the blue.

Oh, I think I remember that, but that was an inappropriate comment rather than an insult, it had no malicious intent behind it.

 

[mlp]

Well, I guess I can congratulate three of the male members of VV for effectively shutting up the female members on a whole lot of topics.

Well done, guys! You're a credit to the worst portion of your gender.

 

[mlp]

Oh, I think I remember that, but that was an inappropriate comment rather than an insult, it had no malicious intent behind it.

I suspect that the person against whom it was directed would have a different interpretation, and the fact that you didn't apologize supports her interpretation.

 

[Envy]

That's not exactly an improvement. Still, it's a good textbook example proving that females in positions of authority are generally held to a more demanding standard of behavior than males are. I can just imagine the uproar if I were the one going around calling people crude and inflammatory buffoons in my capacity as a steward.

Obviously, you are correct, even though I probably wouldn't accept the things you've said from a man either, but I probably wouldn't have seen and pointed it out as quickly or maybe it all.

And if that indeed hurt you, then I apologize, but I didn't want

I suspect that the person against whom it was directed would have a different interpretation, and the fact that you didn't apologize supports her interpretation.

I didn't apologize?
Are you sure?
I could've sworn that I did.

Well, I guess I can congratulate three of the male members of VV for effectively shutting up the female members on a whole lot of topics.

Well done, guys! You're a credit to the worst portion of your gender.

What should I say to that?

Sorry, perhaps?

I only want to have a straight and earnest discussion.

Although I probably shouldn't do that in this state anyway, my "auto-mode" comes on too easily.

Whoa.

I take back what I said earlier. You've now increased the list of the VV members for whom I have no respect or use to three.

Nnn, and from a person whom I respect.

I suppose I should give this a good thinkerin' when going to bed.

 

[Pickle Juice]

Obviously, you are correct, even though I probably wouldn't accept the things you've said from a man either, but I probably wouldn't have seen and pointed it out as quickly or maybe it all.

And if that indeed hurt you, then I apologize, but I didn't want...

No, it didn't hurt me. I'm not easily insulted though. My objection was more along the lines of not being willing to take criticism from someone who does the same, or even worse, than I do.

 

[FortyTwo]

Deconstruction is fun!

And it was stuff about hormones as well.
A boys brain will probably not be the same as a girls brain.

More similar than different. And the same teaching techniques appeal to men and women.

Well, that's actually not true - teaching techniques are too general nowadays, and I don't think we'll have a fair education system until we can specialize to the needs and interests of every student as an individual. But I don't make that distinction based on gender.

And as such, many schools will probably not accommodate their teachings for how boys develop, thus causing quite a bit of problems.

See above.

I like to base my opinions on facts, although I can't deny that I'm biased too.
I understand your general stance too, but I think your assumptions are a bit off now and then.

If you're not Spock, you're biased.

That being said, I do base my opinions on facts.

Sure, I get that you mean that a man will be valued more, but reality isn't always that pretty.

Reality isn't pretty because men aren't valued more? Not only is that sexist in itself, but men are generally valued more, so this isn't even true.

Those very males are often assumed to be meat-heads and idiots.

Or heroes, or role models, even when they've done nothing to deserve recognition or actually done terrible things that should exempt them from it.

I think the nerd = intellectual thing is becoming less and less actual nowadays.

Meh. Still a hyper-masculine and exclusive culture.

You are aware that there actually is quite a significant physical differences in that regard?

To be honest, I think that this is almost entirely invented. Out of all the species with incredibly different secondary sexual characteristics, humans fall flat.

Nah, that particular case is because the assumption that an imprisoned woman will have disastrous results on the assumed family.
Or so I've read.

An imprisoned woman will have disastrous results on the family. After all, who will be left to do all the housekeeping and take care of the children? Certainly it's better to be harder on a male with a family.

Notice how sexism often goes two ways and is destructive to everyone.

 

[beancounter]

Well, I guess I can congratulate three of the male members of VV for effectively shutting up the female members on a whole lot of topics.

r.

But..but there were 4 men who participated in this thread.
I feel so emasculated.

<== no more pink smileys for me.

 

[kazyeeqen]

Well, I guess I can congratulate three of the male members of VV for effectively shutting up the female members on a whole lot of topics.

Well done, guys! You're a credit to the worst portion of your gender.

No. I don't participate in threads like these because everyone's an *******, not just the dudes. Wonderful smart people become tremendous assholes in these horrible, horrible threads. My husband read this thread and then we got into a fight about, cause we are both total assholes.

So no, it's not just them.

I could participate, but since I don't agree with anyone on this board, and possibly the world, about gender issues, it'll just end with everyone thinking I'm an *******. Which I probably am.

But so are you.

 

[kazyeeqen]

But so are you.

This wasn't meant to be directed at mlp, just in case it came off that way. It's to everyone. Everywhere.

 

[Freesia]

I dont think it means people are assholes, it means that people have opinions and issues they cannot agree on. A lot of it is cultural conditioning, ie you can be chatting to someone from the same country who had a completely different upbringing from you and feel poles apart from them when talking about political issues.

I once dated a conservative and you would not believe the arguments we had. We had to agree to not talk about politics as it would just end up in shouting matches. But what we were discussing was important and I think things would be worse if people didnt discuss things, the bullies and dictators would take over the world in even worse ways because noone would question anything.

 

[Pickle Juice]

I dont think it means people are assholes, it means that people have opinions and issues they cannot agree on. A lot of it is cultural conditioning, ie you can be chatting to someone from the same country who had a completely different upbringing from you and feel poles apart from them when talking about political issues.

I once dated a conservative and you would not believe the arguments we had. We had to agree to not talk about politics as it would just end up in shouting matches. But what we were discussing was important and I think things would be worse if people didnt discuss things, the bullies and dictators would take over the world in even worse ways because noone would question anything.

I don't think of anyone here as an *******, jokingly, or otherwise. The fact that there are people here who think of me as one just makes me realize how lucky I am for the friends I've made who like me and even love me in spite of my opinions. If you are reading this, you know who you are.

 

[ledboots]

I don't think kazy meant we were assholes, just that these kinds of discussions often bring out the worst in people. I like reading everyone's opinions here.