Developing a thick skin

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And beancounter, it might be a good lesson to learn that not everybody is exactly like you, and thus will respond differently given different situations.

Obviously. But I am not going to spend time editing and re-editing my post so it can't possibly offend someone somewhere.

If everyone did that, nothing but the most gentle uncontroversial topics would ever be discussed.

"Should you wear white after Labor day". Come to think of it, that would probably offend someone here....

But what I think you're really saying is that I shouldn't discuss anything you disagree with.
 
Warning: A little long and I don't know how to do spoiler tags. :p

Hello peeps. I've been reading this thread and first, it makes me very, very sad. :( But then, I am probably one of the so-called uber sensitive people, I suppose. I have so many conflicting opinions on everything that has been said, and as annoying as usual, can see and understand bits and pieces from each side. I probably should have jumped in sooner so my thoughts won't be all over the place.

I'm not sure if this was intended strictly for serious debate threads. I would tend to agree with the OP if the subject were something general that wouldn't involve personal human emotion/experiences. My first reaction is, most of us have been together for quite awhile now. I would think we have some inkling as to what types of things/words trigger certain responses from certain members. Personally speaking, I don't understand why someone would want to say/post a comment that should be pretty obvious it would get someone's dander up or hurt their feelings. If I am to be quite honest, sometimes I feel like things are said on this board to intentionally upset people. But then I realize that just because I don't ever want to say something to hurt or anger someone, this is 2013 and the internet, and apparently, common decency rules don't apply. I learned this the hard way when I started out on VB. So while this doesn't mean that I can't or don't voice my disagreement in RL, it's a whole other ballgame on the internet. And again, I realize that because I choose to pick my words carefully when disagreeing with someone, it doesn't mean I can impose this on others. Hence, you will rarely see me in threads that have anything relevant to convey. I feel a little sad about that...not being able to "be myself" totally, but it works for me in internet land.

Like, kazy, it's easy for me to like everyone here, even during the times when I don't agree with someone or I feel like someone is being rude or hurtful to another member. Not sure why...and let's not go there. I probably couldn't handle it. :p

I also feel like some people are way better at debating than others. Member #1 might have a good and valid point about something, but Member #2 comes along and has a knack for twisting words or being really subtle about breaking the TOS, better than #1 does. That's usually when I see the trouble start. It's not always about the content of the debate. One member just happens to be more slick than another. My observation/opinion only.

But to reiterate, if the OP was trying to set guidelines for the basics of debating and the core definition of what a debate is (supposed) to be, I think I get the purpose of the post. And, I've actually read something like this before...how we cannot control how we feel, but sometimes, in certain, situations, it is beneficial to work on how we react. My co-worker has been in therapy for years and she is always spouting this. And I am not directing this to anyone in particular here as many of the threads go awry because some people don't necessarily play fair. Just saying it isn't totally without merit.

This is strictly my opinion and not, in any way, asking others to do or feel the same, but I would rather people try and be kinder/more understanding, than trying to make everyone toughen up. I'm not talking about everyone being all nicey, nicey, dancing through the tulips, either, or trying to make this a boring forum. But I don't quite get why it would be such a big deal to try and consider someone's feelings before saying or posting something. It just seem like the right thing to do. At least to me, IMO.

I think the world needs more soft touches. (Stole that from somewhere.)

So, I hope I haven't ticked off/offended anyone. I tried really hard not to and just wanted to express my take on the subject matter of this thread. :D
I would like to see lots more from you. If this post is any indication I think you have a lot of good to offer.




Which is one of the reasons I have taken the stand I have taken. Yes, we do have bullies silencing decent people. We've had this for a long time. I think there are two schools of thought as to the identities of those bullies, and no Annia, I am not going to fall for your attempt to stir up more trouble by pointing my finger at who they are. One of the best things about this thread is that no one was called out by name. General requests were made to the membership to... wait for it... be polite to one another! And look who showed up and started a huge *****-fest because they resent being asked to be nice. Naming names would be a redundant waste of time.

Regarding making people feel discouraged about posting and sharing their views, if there is anyone who feels intimidated by me, I want to assure you that I harbor no malice, and feel no contempt for anyone who has an opinion that differs from mine. If you argue with me, I will never try to heap abuse on you, I will simply argue my position. The only contempt I feel is for bad behavior, not differing ideas.

On the contrary, I stand up for minority views, and I detest flame wars. I welcome open communication when it is sincere, so if anyone has a legitimate concern about my behavior you are free to voice it. Actually, you are free to voice it no matter what, because it's just as good for the nasty people to show their true selves as it is for the decent ones. I tend to give as good as I get though, and that's not likely to stop. There's nothing about being a moderator that says I'm required to sit here and take other peoples' crap, especially when I see stewards calling people worse names than I ever have and discouraging people from posting worthwhile and valuable discussion.
 
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...I am not going to spend time editing and re-editing my post so it can't possibly offend someone somewhere.
Then don't. Express your opinion. But if it is an unpopular or controversial one, there may be some backlash.
 
Annia, I am not going to fall for your attempt to stir up more trouble

Are you accusing Annia of purposely being a troublemaker?

(Just asking for clarification...)

ETA: Looks like you won't see this post. Oh well, maybe someone else will pass the comment on to you.
 
Are you accusing Annia of purposely being a troublemaker?

(Just asking for clarification...)

ETA: Looks like you won't see this post. Oh well, maybe someone else will pass the comment on to you.
Do you really need an answer?
 
Which is one of the reasons I have taken the stand I have taken. Yes, we do have bullies silencing decent people. We've had this for a long time. I think there are two schools of thought as to the identities of those bullies, and no Annia, I am not going to fall for your attempt to stir up more trouble by pointing my finger at who they are. One of the best things about this thread is that no one was called out by name. General requests were made to the membership to... wait for it... be polite to one another! And look who showed up and started a huge *****-fest because they resent being asked to be nice. Naming names would be a redundant waste of time.

Then why say it if you're not willing to clarify who you meant? It's back-handed snide comments like that which seriously **** me off. If you think people are behaving in a certain way, say who you think, don't try to be snide about it.

Similar one was your tantrum post. Seriously, what on earth was the point of that?

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Personally, I'm upset that you've accused me of troublemaking. Which is actually not something I do. I do actually want clarification because it will help me understand this thread better if I can know which members you think are like that so I can therefore understand which behaviour you dislike and which behaviour you do like. Which will help me understand the points you are trying to make because at the moment, it's not clear to me.
 
Do you really need an answer?

Well, I was just following what you said earlier:

We have a problem with several people who either cannot or will not see a difference of opinion as just that - a difference of opinion. There are way too many unfounded, untrue, cruel, and hurtful accusations being made against people whose opinions go against the norm here. It has to stop.

So this isn't just advice. This is the requirement for participating in this community.

If you perceive an attack, report the post. Do not retaliate.

If reporting posts isn't your thing, ask the other poster for clarification before you assume they are launching an attack. A civil question will engender a civil answer. If it does not, report the post.
 
Which is one of the reasons I have taken the stand I have taken. Yes, we do have bullies silencing decent people. We've had this for a long time. I think there are two schools of thought as to the identities of those bullies, and no Annia, I am not going to fall for your attempt to stir up more trouble by pointing my finger at who they are. One of the best things about this thread is that no one was called out by name. General requests were made to the membership to... wait for it... be polite to one another! And look who showed up and started a huge *****-fest because they resent being asked to be nice. Naming names would be a redundant waste of time.

If there are "bullies" on here shouldn't Indian Summer deal with this problem as he is the actual admin of this forum? I assume you think I am one of the "bitches" who turned up at the "huge *****-fest" as I dared to make my opinions known on this thread and forum.
 
Then don't. Express your opinion. But if it is an unpopular or controversial one, there may be some backlash.

There is a difference between someone saying they disagree with an expressed opinion, and someone intentionally twisting the meaning of the opinion as a way to fan the fire or deflect a reply they don't have a good response to.

Also, I don't intentionally choose my topics based on its lack of popularity or controversy, but what is the point of starting a thread that almost no one will disagree with?
 
It's easier just to blame others for their feeling rather than take personal responsibility for how they perceive and respond to things.

I didnt know our board had our own self appointed Dr Phil :rolleyes: .

And by the way I really hate the roll eyes emoticon and I am angry that I just used it. I have never used it on anyone here.
 
I have a question - IRL, don't you all know someone who is sometimes less than tactful in the way s/he expresses things? Don't you make allowances for that? IRL, don't you know someone who flies off the handle a bit too easily? Don't you make allowances for that? IRL, don't you know someone who is a bit of a bore, but you make allowances for that?

Or is everyone surrounded only by people who always perform up to your own personal expectations?
 
Yesterday (not today) I might have argued that the eye roll smiley probably shouldn't even exist in the debate forum, because in my mind it doesn't really help foster understanding between the participants (although it communicates meaning), only ill will when it is used on someone. I think it's often used when one figures there's just no hope of getting through to someone with an explanation, or a way to say "I think you're dense/an idiot." I can't imagine using it on someone I liked or respected. I believe I've used it before, out of frustration. If I had a contentious forum with a lot of interpersonal issues, I probably wouldn't have it. Unless I wanted to increase the drama.

BTW, this is not a post that I intend to be read as passive aggressive by anyone who uses that smiley. I just thought more about it when Freesia brought attention to it.
 
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I think that the same holds true of the facepalm smiley. (And, yes, I have used the eyeroll smiley; I hadn't even noticed the facepalm smiley until it started making such regular appearances recently.)
 
I have a question - IRL, don't you all know someone who is sometimes less than tactful in the way s/he expresses things? Don't you make allowances for that? IRL, don't you know someone who flies off the handle a bit too easily? Don't you make allowances for that? IRL, don't you know someone who is a bit of a bore, but you make allowances for that?
I definitely do. To the first part, that is. And many times I am viewed as flawed for being too tolerant or making excuses for bad behavior. I suppose it's true to some extent. :)
 
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KLS52, I wish you posted more. :)

I think that it's probably easier to be dismissive/intolerant of people online, because we tend to see only one aspect of them.

It's similar, I think, to relationships one has with people one has known from their childhood on - one may not have much in common with (or even like many of the aspects of) the adult s/he is now, but one knew and loved her/him when they were a child, so one accepts, or at least tolerates, those less admirable traits. I certainly have a relative with respect to whom that is true.
 
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Don't you think that sometimes it's not about excusing their behavior but rather choosing your battles or exercising some control over what you allow to annoy/bother you?
 
I have a question - IRL, don't you all know someone who is sometimes less than tactful in the way s/he expresses things? Don't you make allowances for that? IRL, don't you know someone who flies off the handle a bit too easily? Don't you make allowances for that? IRL, don't you know someone who is a bit of a bore, but you make allowances for that?

Or is everyone surrounded only by people who always perform up to your own personal expectations?

I personally make allowances for all sorts of quirks, peccadilloes, things that i might perceive as faults. However when someone starts telling me how to be, or how to live my life, then my tolerance wears very thin.
 
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